Originally Posted by dutret

No you were perfectly clear just clueless.

Noone skids on the track.... ever. If anything any considerations regarding skidding should be for non-track fixies rather then track bikes. Also the width of the teeth has very little to do with how stiff the ring is anyway. The width of the non-toothed section determines that.

Thanks for taking the time to develop your thoughts a bit more than in your original post, but all of us reading this could do without the insults.

I didn't say anything about riding in velodromes, or about skidding in them, so no, I won't jump on your sentence as you thought I might. If you go back and reread my post it should be clear that this was a discussion about track bikes vs. fixies and no where did I mention velodromes. As for the chainrings, of course the width of the ring itself gives it strength, not only the teeth of the ring. It's fair to say that the width of the chainring is also a factor in the width of the teeth, which are, of course, thicker on a track ring than on a road ring. Of course the whole thing is thicker.

Yes so maybe if you said really old track bikes have circular tubing it would have been an accurate statement of what makes a track bike but not many new ones do.

Many of the new bikes must be using something that originally came out of a bottle and later hardened -- circular forks still exist, however.

My point with the headsets is that most track bikes don't have a record pista or durace track headset on them. They don't even make a different record pista headset anymore and the only reason the dura ace track exists as a seperate headset is because there is no other dura-ace headset. It was a jab at your silly notion that real people who care about performance instead of collectors with money to blow would only use a "track" headset.

Easy on the allusive insulting remarks. It's a pity that Campagnolo has ceased production of the track headset, but at least they have continued producing the track bottom bracket. If you are riding a track bike why put road parts on it? Why not take a road bike and turn it into a fixie with a little front brake and then you won't need track parts.

more likely it's because everyone and thier brother wants "vintage TRACK RECORD PISTA classic ITALIAN NOT DURA ACE NJS." If you look anywhere else track components are cheaper then road. See the difference in pricing between Record/Record pista or duraace/duraace track.

No, everybody and their brother wants vintage Dura Ace Track as well, and it's expensive. Just peruse ebay and you'll see that vintage NOS track will usually go for more than vintage NOS road. A Cinelli 2A steel stem will more often than not go for more money than a Cinelli 1A aluminum stem. Thanks for the tip on current 06 pricing, I might check into it.

There was nothing in your post that accurately described what makes a track bike a track bike except in terms of some non-track riding collectors ideal. It's too bad that in your mind the vast majority of track bikes actually ridden on the track have been "messed up" by people lacking in taste.

Again, I think you should go back and reread my post. I never said anything about bikes ridden on the track, I described track bikes and some of the inherent differences with road bikes which might become "fixies" for the person who had asked. Was there really "nothing in [my] post that accurately discribed what makes a track bike?" My post was quite clear about some of the geometrical differences of the frame, the fork tubing -- especially for older track bikes -- and the components. Please add more if you wish.

I didn't say anything about bikes ridden on the track being "messed up." Careful when you quote someone. I said, "In short, a fixie may have a road frame, road forks, road cranks, a road headset, a road stem, road bars, a road chainring, a road chain, and a road sprocket but a track bike would not unless someone messed with it and put road equipement on it, or didn't have the good taste or the money to do so." Go back and reread it. I didn't say that those bikes were "messed up" as you stated. "Messed up" as you put it is an adjective, I used the verb "to mess with something" as in "to change something." Personally I don't have the money for a Cinelli 2A track stem on my bike, so I have a 1A road stem. I'm one of those who doesn't have the money for all that stuff.

Finally, I don't have any particular image or idea about "the vast majority of track bikes actually ridden on the track," as you say I do, so why not drop the jabbing insults and innuendo and come back to a decent discussion about track bikes and fixies. If my post offended you earlier, that was not my intention. That said, I appreciate your knowlegable contribution to this thread.

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