There was a bike listed on scambay that the guy said weighed 11 pounds!!!!! I messaged him and nicely said Lances bike TDF bike is heavier. His ad said he could pick it up with one hand! THe point of this: Weight of the bike is all relative to the stregth of the rider. Light is nice but at the end of all day on the bike how do you feel? Have my Quintana Roo under 17 pounds but on a longer ride the old steel 20lb+ Centruion does the job.