I didn't say I was doubting anything.. I'm just saying the conversation is quickly going down the toilet. A question for you though, steeker: how far do you need to go to properly see the sky at night (naked eye)? I know even in St. John's I needed to drive about 30 minutes outside the city to be able to see the milky way. I just saw this post on digg and it reminded me of some of the night sky views I used to be able to see occasionally (when it wasn't foggy): http://digg.com/space/Incredible_Pho...mmer_Night_pic

edit1: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060825.html

edit2: offhoff.. still waiting for an update!