I actually got numbers...

The 22" frame has a 22" (56cm) top tube
The headtube angle is 73* and the seattube is 75*...rake is 1.75" which should be 44.5mm.

All Vigorelli frames have 11" (28CM) BB heights and 15.75" (40cm) chainstays.


My beater conversion already has 73*(atleast that is stamped in the lug) headtube and I think 40cm chainstays....56cm seat and top tube lengths...what's the point in the same geometry on two bikes???

I was hoping for something more around a 74.5* seat and head angle with around a 38mm chainstay. I guess I could get a custom one.
I wasn't sure what numbers to specify for BB height and rake....

I'm gonna ride a 55cm Pake and see what it feels like that has a 55cm top tube so if that feels good i might get 57cm seat length with 55cm toptube, 74.5* angles on both seat and headtube, 38cm chainstay length.
11" BB height and not sure on the rake...the custom Pista comes with a steel fork....any recomendations on BB height and rake???

We have no Velodrome here (but there are petitions for one i think) so I'm just looking for a tighter more responsive bike to ride...right now atleast...I think I've only ridden like 200 miles in the last month and a half so I don't ride on long rides that much.