Originally Posted by N_C
ILTB, since you have serious issues with Forester & asking for proof from others why don't you prove your findings to us. Practice what you preach bubba. I'm calling you on this, prove to us you're right & Forester is wrong. Where did you get & what is your proof?
Oh & so we don't have to read a freaking novel here, please web links to your diatribe of proof.
"Practice what you preach bubba. I'm calling you on this, prove to us you're right" My My! Diatribe? Freaking novel? You really are on a quest for knowledge aren't you Jack.
First brush up on the fallacy of demanding negative proof.
http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Proving_a_Negative
This will start you on the answer to your (and other logically deprived fellas) assumption that quantitative claims about risk reduction/changed cycling behavior as a result of formal training/VC indoctrination are true until proven otherwise. The VC proselytizers and promoters cry "we need education (read: VC) classes implemented as some sort of mandatory program in schools" yet are unable to provide any reason why. What problem will their program fix, solve or mitigate and what makes them think so?
Then reread:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...4&postcount=51
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...1&postcount=53
http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...1&postcount=75
Then learn that any risk analysis of bicycle accidents (or any other accidents) that ignores considering severity of the accidents is no better than worthless, and is more likely agenda driven drivel. All of Forester's "studies" of bicycling risk to include bike facilities risk and insignificance of traffic to rear risk fit that category due to that fatal flaw.
In addition to the above, the notorious claim of 80% accident reduction for both Vehicular Cyclists and VC trained cyclists ( made by Forester, Allen, Schubert, the LAB-reform gang, et al.) is based on fabrication of data for a mystery population of unidentified vehicular cyclists. This mystery population uses undefined vehicular cycling characteristics, and there is zero accident data for this Forester fabricated population of cyclists. This is the so-called safety record of VC training promoted by the Foresterite LCI's. and LCI wannabes.
Bottom line: There is no evidence of any safety record, good or bad, associated with defined vehicular cycling/cyclists, and there is no record of accomplishment, improved safety, or changed behavior for students of formal VC based training.