My remark about "not letting you touch my bike" was a knee jerk reaction to your post, particularly the part where you challenged, or offered, or whatever it was, to have anyone who has installed tires with levers without problems to send their tires/rims to you and you'd install them for them without levers. No real meaning to my comment, just reacting to what I thought was an abrasive and arrogant attitude on your part, magnified by the obnoxious oversized font and the comment on my BF handle............As for the use of levers, I don't care if you use them or not, just don't tell me I don't know what I'm doing if I use them. I've used them too many times (to both remove and install stubborn tires off of and onto stubborn tire/rim combos), without problems. Could I have eventually gotten the tires on the rims if I had kept at it by hand? Probably, but I'll just reach for my $4 levers and make my life a lot easier, thank you very much. If you've never needed tire levers, more power to you. You'll notice I never said always use tire levers. Just use them on difficult tire/rim combos, and when you do be careful not to pinch the tube. That's what I do, and it works. If you don't need'em, don't use'em..........You say you've never used tire levers to install tires (if not in this thread, in another recent one). If that's the case, how can you be such an expert on what will happen when you use levers to install tires? Pinched tubes happen, but I can tell you they don't happen to me using tire levers to install a tire, because I make sure the tube is tucked well up into the casing of the tire before I apply the lever. If someone were to pinch a tube using a lever, they'd certainly find out about it as soon as they tried to inflate the tire. So basically, all this oversized font and macho-talk about your tire mounting skill without levers is over whether or not an inner tube might get pinched. Once that happens, I suppose the installer will either cuss and be more careful next time or cuss and become more determined to install the tire without tire levers. Either way is fine with me, all I can do is report what I've done and had work. Kinda thought that was what this forum was about-