Originally Posted by HillRider
If they really got the bb shell "red hot", they distroyed the metal's heat treatment and I wouldn't trust the frame again even if they manage to get the cup out. I further assume the paint is completely gone.
They owe you a new frame but I wouldn't go anywhere near that shop again for anything else.
Agreed. I pretty much never go "torch" unless I'm willing to destroy most of the surrounding parts --which is pretty much never. Only one BB/frame has stumped me so far, and it is hanging behind me right now waiting for round three someday. I think I can guarantee I will eventually get it apart before I die.