pffft I don't know, thier 2 hardtails look nice but i'm not so sure about that fully. The top tube and seat tube on it looks pethetic, it like 1'' tubeing with the rest of the bike is big and beffy. I'm not saying it's not strong juust dosent look right. But what is kinda cool about that fully is it comes with replacable drops outs and you can get horizantal ones if you want so you can run SS, why someone would run SS on that bike, idk.