At $850 for a complete bike with a custom frame he would have to build one every hour to make good money at it. BTW the tubing he's using for these is Columbus. The ones he's built so far have very short rear stays. But he'll use any length stays you prefer.

As far as the S&S, Steve won't sell Terry the couplings because he doesn't carry Steve's minimum $1,000,000 liability insurance. Not a problem though as Terry is less than 1/2 a mile from Curt Goodrich's shop. I'll ask Curt what he charges to install them. He might do these a bit cheaper than usual as there won't be any paint on the frame. Sandblasting is his least favorite part of framebuilding.

At one point I was going to be an S&S installer, working as a subcontractor for a friend who's shop is heavily insured. But when Curt said he had installed hundreds of them, before moving back to Minnesota to build Rivendells, it didn't make much sense.