for the record, someone I rode in a club ride with recently scared me as he got in his tri bars (literally those 1 piece triangle shaped things from the 80s). He actually seemed to do ok. I found out later that he did low end old folks triathlons for kicks. I had made a wrong assumption just because his bike of choice was a 15 year old Centurion Ironman with 32h 3x wheels and an old set of tri bars. We actually started talking after that (when he got out of the aero bars) since my first racing days were on a Centurion Ironman.