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Old 10-26-06 | 08:48 AM
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veganwar
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I didn't go anywhere, other than home for the night. I have other things to do like activism, riding my bike, and fighting with UPS about the location of my new saddle. BikeForums is just my distraction between the business day.

First, the bike shop I referred to is http://www.millvalleycycleworks.com/ but there is also the Veloshop in Portland at http://veloshop.wordpress.com/who-is-the/ (I don't know what is going on with their regular website but that has the contac information). They are vegan shops because they do not sell any animal products and they both promote veganism and animal rights.

Second, humans were gathers long before we were hunters or before they engaged in agriculture.

Third, eating animals and their byproducts are the luxury, not being eating vegetables and grains, the diet most people in the world eat. We Westerns tend to think the "standard" diet is standard in the rest of the world. It isn't.

Fourth, it would be great to go live in the forest and not have to deal with technology but I doubt that forest would exist very long with the raging human overpopulation of this planet. Since I desire a vegan world, one free from all animal exploitation, I made the decision not to live in the forest where I won't be able to change anything.

Fifth, there are resource issues to consider. On the one hand, you can extrac petroleum from the ground, process it, and then transfrom it into a product such as a saddle. Or you can use resources to raise an animal, slaughtering that animal, and producing her skin into a saddle. The resources used to make one non-leather saddle vs. one leather saddle may actually not differ that much. But the resources to produce 10 non-leather saddles vs. 10 leather saddles aren't possibly going to compare. The land used, the water used to grow the crops; the petrochemicals used to make the fertilize to spray on the crops; the petrochemicals used to make the antibiotics to give the animals since 1) they are an unnatural species and 2) so intensively confined that sickness isn't a possibility, it is a reality; the water used for the animals, the slaughtering, the petrochemicals used to process the skin, and the work put into making the saddle.

Sixth, veganism is only expensive if you only eat processed prepared foods. I really wouldn't know if the fake meats and cheeses taste like the real thing. I only eat them when I am out and the rest of the time, I hardly even have to spend money on food with all the food that is perfectly good but still thrown out. Shopping at Whole Foods is not a requirement of veganism and you can certainly do it a hell of a lot cheaper as a vegan than if you were in there buying dead animals or their byproducts.

Fizik are hand made saddles too. If comfort is your concern, then read this article: http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/arione.shtml Sure you can't cut up a Fizik saddle and make star-patterned holes in them but I thought this was about comfort, not about looking cool.

Do vegans swallow? Come on? How old are we? 15?
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