The Great Wheel Debate
06-26-15, 07:48 PM
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I'm sure he's trying to grow, but I'm also pretty sure he's trying to eat, too. Giving team prices to local racers can be a good business decision. Giving those same prices to racers on the opposite coast, maybe not so much.
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06-26-15, 07:49 PM
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Where does the racerim guy get his carbon rims? Looking at the web site I get the impression they are generic chinese carbon rims.
06-26-15, 08:08 PM
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People always tend to remember and comment on their negative experiences over their positive ones. You could go through 1000 wheelsets, but chances are, you'll remember the one with problems more than all the others.
A company I once worked for referred to this as the 3/11 rule for customer service. The premise was that for every great experience a customer had, they would tell 3 people. But for every negative experience, they would tell 11.
A company I once worked for referred to this as the 3/11 rule for customer service. The premise was that for every great experience a customer had, they would tell 3 people. But for every negative experience, they would tell 11.
06-26-15, 08:31 PM
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They are Reynolds, have the warranty and everything.
06-26-15, 08:33 PM
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In marketing, we call that part of the nature of consumer behavior. There are many studies which show that negative information is much more likely to be spread than is positive information. 3/11 have become the most popular numbers to use. However, there have been many studies which support the same general notion, but, with a range of numbers for negative and positive word of mouth. I believe Phil Kotler may be the one who popularized the 3/11 numbers.
Outliers stand out, it's the nature of our brains.
06-26-15, 09:00 PM
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In customer service work it's a well known and accepted thing that if guests say, checks into a hotel and experience a problem, but the problem is quickly/adequately resolved, they will have a higher opinion of the hotel on average than guests who checked in and experienced no problems.
Outliers stand out, it's the nature of our brains.
Outliers stand out, it's the nature of our brains.
06-26-15, 09:10 PM
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Most all of the guys on our team run his wheels (he's one of our "sponsors") and we have a few sets of team wheels as well. We've put them through the ringer and they're going strong.
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06-26-15, 09:43 PM
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I think at this point the difference between tubulars and clinchers, both with good tires, and whatnot, is purely academical. That being said I trust tubulars more in a race. I had flatted twice on them, same course different years, and I credit not binging my **** in the corners to tubulars. Last time it was front, and my first clue I had it was going soft was it sliding on me mid corner going down hill.
06-27-15, 07:52 AM
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My psimet wheels have been really solid. Rear has a little hop in it that I've been too lazy to get trued out, but I've hit some massive holes and they've been very reliable.
06-29-15, 01:41 PM
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I have to rebuild my rear wheel since the rim got bent when I was hit by a car yesterday. My question is, do I go wide with my new rim?
This would also require me to rebuild my front wheel, which isn't necessary at this time, but I'd like them to match. I'd also need to figure out which rims to go with. I'm debating between the assorted Kinlin options and the older Pacenti SL23. The others, Hed Belgium, Velocity A3, H Plus Son Archetype, and new Pacenti SL23 are more money than I'd like to spend.
Any thoughts?
This would also require me to rebuild my front wheel, which isn't necessary at this time, but I'd like them to match. I'd also need to figure out which rims to go with. I'm debating between the assorted Kinlin options and the older Pacenti SL23. The others, Hed Belgium, Velocity A3, H Plus Son Archetype, and new Pacenti SL23 are more money than I'd like to spend.
Any thoughts?
06-29-15, 01:47 PM
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What about your other wheels? Do you want to adjust your brakes in the pit or on the roadside during a race? If you're tight on cash then have you considered the cost of wider tires as well?
06-29-15, 07:05 PM
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I'm still waiting to hear the name of Ygduf's wheel builder.
06-30-15, 01:51 PM
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adding onto this thread.... a "should you buy it?" question.
i've got an 808 front that basically just sits in my garage. initially it was a TT front wheel, but i just have/prefer other options. can't recall the last time i raced it. i was thinking i could either sell it (I kind of hate selling wheels and am a gear hoarder) or maybe I could add an 808 rear and use it for something like crit racing. Normally I'd just race 404s/equivalents in a crit. i can get a pretty great deal on one, so that's not much of an issue.
crits aren't really my thing but i've done alright in a few....and even if it is just about conserving a bit of energy, they'd help. off the top of my head i recall something like a 5w savings for the 808s, and a few times i've been on the limit. i've also had a couple 2nds/3rds and never a win, so there is that rare possibility of it making a difference--but those ain't NCC-level events by any stretch. no illusions there.
should i sell the 808f or add an 808r? what sayeth the BF contingent?
i've got an 808 front that basically just sits in my garage. initially it was a TT front wheel, but i just have/prefer other options. can't recall the last time i raced it. i was thinking i could either sell it (I kind of hate selling wheels and am a gear hoarder) or maybe I could add an 808 rear and use it for something like crit racing. Normally I'd just race 404s/equivalents in a crit. i can get a pretty great deal on one, so that's not much of an issue.
crits aren't really my thing but i've done alright in a few....and even if it is just about conserving a bit of energy, they'd help. off the top of my head i recall something like a 5w savings for the 808s, and a few times i've been on the limit. i've also had a couple 2nds/3rds and never a win, so there is that rare possibility of it making a difference--but those ain't NCC-level events by any stretch. no illusions there.
should i sell the 808f or add an 808r? what sayeth the BF contingent?
06-30-15, 02:17 PM
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I see lots of 808 ish wheels in crits. Track guys in particular seem to be fond of them. You're probably not the kind of guy to mismatch like this but there's no reason other than style not to run an 808 front with a 50-60mm rear.
06-30-15, 02:24 PM
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Thanks for the name Ygduf. Just saw link; thanks Hacks!
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06-30-15, 02:30 PM
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adding onto this thread.... a "should you buy it?" question.
i've got an 808 front that basically just sits in my garage. initially it was a TT front wheel, but i just have/prefer other options. can't recall the last time i raced it. i was thinking i could either sell it (I kind of hate selling wheels and am a gear hoarder) or maybe I could add an 808 rear and use it for something like crit racing. Normally I'd just race 404s/equivalents in a crit. i can get a pretty great deal on one, so that's not much of an issue.
crits aren't really my thing but i've done alright in a few....and even if it is just about conserving a bit of energy, they'd help. off the top of my head i recall something like a 5w savings for the 808s, and a few times i've been on the limit. i've also had a couple 2nds/3rds and never a win, so there is that rare possibility of it making a difference--but those ain't NCC-level events by any stretch. no illusions there.
should i sell the 808f or add an 808r? what sayeth the BF contingent?
i've got an 808 front that basically just sits in my garage. initially it was a TT front wheel, but i just have/prefer other options. can't recall the last time i raced it. i was thinking i could either sell it (I kind of hate selling wheels and am a gear hoarder) or maybe I could add an 808 rear and use it for something like crit racing. Normally I'd just race 404s/equivalents in a crit. i can get a pretty great deal on one, so that's not much of an issue.
crits aren't really my thing but i've done alright in a few....and even if it is just about conserving a bit of energy, they'd help. off the top of my head i recall something like a 5w savings for the 808s, and a few times i've been on the limit. i've also had a couple 2nds/3rds and never a win, so there is that rare possibility of it making a difference--but those ain't NCC-level events by any stretch. no illusions there.
should i sell the 808f or add an 808r? what sayeth the BF contingent?
06-30-15, 02:38 PM
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I'll respond with economics and curiosity as factors. If you are curious and can acquire an 808r at a price such that if you didn't like it, you could sell it and at least come "reasonably" close to what you paid for it -- where "reasonably" is a personal assessment -- then why not get it and try it out? You could assess it with the 808f and without it. If you like it under at least one condition, keep it. If not, sell it; and sell the 808f as well.
yes, i could for sure buy it and sell it at no loss (perhaps even a profit), but as a gear-hoarded i would probably keep it in my garage even if i was neutral about it. for that reason, the key decision point is BEFORE making the purchase, as once i've made the purchase i'll figure out some weird way to justify keeping it (e.g., something like "what if you ever do a triathlon where discs are not legal, then for sure the 808 will be better than a 404!"--haha!).
06-30-15, 02:43 PM
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thanks!
yes, i could for sure buy it and sell it at no loss (perhaps even a profit), but as a gear-hoarder i would probably keep it in my garage even if i was neutral about it. for that reason, the key decision point is BEFORE making the purchase, as once i've made the purchase i'll figure out some weird way to justify keeping it (e.g., something like "what if you ever do a triathlon where discs are not legal, then for sure the 808 will be better than a 404!"--haha!).
yes, i could for sure buy it and sell it at no loss (perhaps even a profit), but as a gear-hoarder i would probably keep it in my garage even if i was neutral about it. for that reason, the key decision point is BEFORE making the purchase, as once i've made the purchase i'll figure out some weird way to justify keeping it (e.g., something like "what if you ever do a triathlon where discs are not legal, then for sure the 808 will be better than a 404!"--haha!).