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Old 11-14-18, 04:37 PM
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Back on the Zwift this morning. AQI is currently over 300 here, so not even commuting.
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Back on the Zwift this morning. AQI is currently over 300 here, so not even commuting.
I built a box-fan filter for my garage and rode zwift this morning. Sucks to keep the door closed, though.
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Two days at Fiesta in a row. Yesterday, sprinters warmup and then 3x10' 30/30 on the TT bike and today 50 minutes of tempo no stops just constant power on the road bike. Today, I alternated tops, drops and standing in the drops. Beautiful weather both days with normal wind. The NorCal smoke situation sounds terrible.
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I retore my meniscus injury at the beginning of last week bending down to pick something up, so had to take more days off. I'm ramping back up again, all things considered i don't seem woefully out of shape, but the next month of clawing back fitness is going to be annoying af.
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Old 11-15-18, 03:43 PM
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Tucson training week update:

Tuesday: 5.5 hrs out to Madera Canyon and back. Windy.
Yesterday: 3.5 hrs on the MTB, mainly Saguaro East and Fantasy Island Park
Today: A hair under 3 hrs of tooling around "The Loop" bike paths, and the bottom few miles of Mt Lemmon
Tomorrow: 2.5 of MTB before the El Tour convention and Platinum start meeting
Sat: El tour, should be good for 4 and change

Today I had penciled in a full Mt. Lemmon ascent, but I took it easy instead. The last two days have been bigger than planned, and it's been cold! I have to get my dad at the airport soon so starting later wasn't an option today. Next time I'll give myself ample time for Mt. Lemmon in the event of cold mornings, and maybe plan it sooner in my trip.
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Old 11-15-18, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
Beautiful weather both days with normal wind. The NorCal smoke situation sounds terrible.








Man, I am so done with this. I haven't not ridden outside this long when I've been healthy in a decade. It's brutal. My kids are 2.5 and today one went to open the sliding glass door and I said he couldn't go out and he whined "I miss outside. I want to play. I miss my bike."

Like I'm about to cry just remembering it. We're at a full week now, with it looks like another week to go.
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Hang in there @Ygduf. That sucks. Also the twins are 2.5!!! Time flies.
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Didn't ride yesterday; the AC guy showed up during my lunch break and the electrician kept extending the time he'd arrived until he finally said he couldn't make it at 7:30. My legs could probably use the rest anyway.

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First time on Zwift in awhile. It’s fun, but dang I have to wonder where all these 4.2w/kg riders are in the real world.
My w/kg on my Vectors is 4.3, on my Tacx Neo its 4.2, on my Elite Direto its 4.7. I was getting podiums on the Direto in races with 200 people in it, on the Neo I'm lucky to get top 20.

Pretty sure the Direto is the accurate one.
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I am starting to like Zwift more. I can choose my power measuring device/trainer and use the one that gives me the best W/kg and then declare it is the most accurate - priceless.
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I have a quarq dfour on the way. Hoping I get a few free watts switching to crank based power for the same reason!
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I am starting to like Zwift more. I can choose my power measuring device/trainer and use the one that gives me the best W/kg and then declare it is the most accurate - priceless.
People were doing this without zwift.

Had a followup with the dr today for my knee since it reallyisn't getting better like i want. Ultrasound revealed that it seems I've just built up a ton of scar tissue and it's preventing full range of motion. Glad it's not a tear or other bad injury, but my family has this tendency to over produce scar tissue (to a fault, it's caused some pretty chronic pain for my Mother). FINALLY going to PT later today. I'll report back.
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Another day on the Zwift. I'm in the basement, but my almost 20 year old Nashbar fluid trainer is so loud that my wife hears it on the 2d floor. So I have a feeling that this is how I"m going to get a new trainer for Xmas.
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Old 11-16-18, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
I am starting to like Zwift more. I can choose my power measuring device/trainer and use the one that gives me the best W/kg and then declare it is the most accurate - priceless.
At the end of the day it was a bummer finding out the numbers were wrong and my FTP wasn't in the 300's. I always ride the Neo on Zwift, but if someone wanted to race for money then well.....

(I'd probably do the Neo still cus I'm not scummy)

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People were doing this without zwift.

Had a followup with the dr today for my knee since it reallyisn't getting better like i want. Ultrasound revealed that it seems I've just built up a ton of scar tissue and it's preventing full range of motion. Glad it's not a tear or other bad injury, but my family has this tendency to over produce scar tissue (to a fault, it's caused some pretty chronic pain for my Mother). FINALLY going to PT later today. I'll report back.
IMO, scar tissue is a very under diagnosed and mistreated issue; something I learned after re-tearing an achilles tendon. I've been mocked here in the past for it, but I have some Graston tools I use to clear up scar tissue and it really helps. Definitely get a few Graston or ART sessions to clear it up.
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Old 11-16-18, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Another day on the Zwift. I'm in the basement, but my almost 20 year old Nashbar fluid trainer is so loud that my wife hears it on the 2d floor. So I have a feeling that this is how I"m going to get a new trainer for Xmas.
I hated the trainer so much. Now I hate is a little. kickr smart trainer makes a lot of difference. Being able to build an interval workout on zwift with both power and cadence and stuff like that makes it easier and kind of fun. Being able to adjust down the watts because it's way too ****ing hard is nice as well.
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IMO, scar tissue is a very under diagnosed and mistreated issue; something I learned after re-tearing an achilles tendon. I've been mocked here in the past for it, but I have some Graston tools I use to clear up scar tissue and it really helps. Definitely get a few Graston or ART sessions to clear it up.
Doc used one of those on me today. It felt oddly good. I might get myself one to use if they're not too spendy. Gave me some stretches and strengthening exercises to do as well. I tend to trust him based on the conversation we had. I think my main motivating factor to actually get my ass to the dr today was seeing how close ski season is getting. Can't ski with a bum knee.

Got hoome and hopped on the kickr for an hour with 52 minutes of sweet spot throwin in there. I bumped my ftp up about 3% and it's still not overly hard. Liking this "less volume + strength work" plan I've put myself on. It's nice to not be tired all the time.
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A massive change: Nations redefine the kilogram


Well, this is going to **** things up, isn't it?
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I heard that story on NPR this week. I couldn't find the experimental setup, but if it makes me have a higher w/kg then I'm happy
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Old 11-16-18, 08:19 PM
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Good grief...Graston tools look like something from a Jame Bond movie that Spectre would like to use on Bond.

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Not a bad day. Lift heavy in the morning (Leg day!), play video games all afternoon, then watch a movie while I suffer ruthlessly trying to do an over-under workout on tired legs.
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Only 3 workouts this week, pretty short too. Had a nice roll through my old neighborhood while getting the car inspected. 230w NP for about 75min. A good bunch for me, maybe not you guys. I think one area the power feels way way up is in the mid-range. A year ago I could not cruise mid-200's w for that long at a time, especially in between harder efforts.

Also, an easy cruise used to be around 150w. Now I can go 180 to 200w as "easy".

Right at 19mph at about 100 feet elevation per mile riding through the old neighborhood. Our A group ride isn't that fast over that elevation (our area's definition of A anyway).

Hopefully the kiddo is well tomorrow and my day off can be riding instead of at home babysitting. Had wanted a solid 6 hour road ride tomorrow. We'll see.
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Tried to zwift race instead of my sweet spot workout this morning. That went awfully. My legs are real tired from the week of training.I'm also 3 weeks into this block so it starts to make sense that the fatigue is building. Gonna write it off as a miss and move on.
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I love how realistic they've made Zwift. It even has guys who jump on your wheel while you're trying to do intervals, just like in real life!
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Tried to zwift race instead of my sweet spot workout this morning. That went awfully. My legs are real tired from the week of training.I'm also 3 weeks into this block so it starts to make sense that the fatigue is building. Gonna write it off as a miss and move on.
Take solace. You were probably only beaten by a 250 lb dude who claims his Zwift weight is 145 lb and is using some kind of crap estimated power from an old $45 mag trainer with a screwed up speed sensor.

That's all.
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4 hours of endurance total for Saturday and Sunday with two threshold climbs on Sunday.

Edit: It was 4 hours total not 4 for each day.

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Nice @Hermes that's a lot of riding.

Yesterday I got back from Tucson. I logged ~17.5 hrs of pedaling for the 5 days, a bit less than expected which is mostly due to me flatting out of El Tour de Tucson 35 miles in. It was totally my fault, had a slit in the rear (with bulging inner tube) that I didn't inspect before the ride, and I was carrying this old/backup CO2 inflator that just didn't work anymore. I called in and got picked up.

Frustrating as it was, I was over it pretty quick and just shrugged my shoulders over it. It was a great week of riding and all is well that ends well. I got home, hopped on my MTB and did some urban assault on my way to the finish line in downtown twice: once to see my SDBC buddies finish the 100 miler, then again later to watch my dad and Tio finish the 25 miler. I rode my MTB just long and hard enough to remin myself that I was really tired and that it had been a great week.

Overall it was a great week, and I look forward to spending a full week out there again next year leading to El Tour.
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