El Diablo Rojo

Good news for cycling as another DS gets fired.


Is Ullrich "the third person"?; Pevenage fired

Germany's Der Spiegel magazine has alleged that the Spanish investigators have uncovered not only a new code name for Jan Ullrich, but also further evidence that he and his mentor Rudy Pevenage were involved with Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes, as well as further implicating former Liberty rider Jörg Jaksche.

In a transcript of a tapped telephone conversation, Pevenage reportedly thanked the Spanish doctor, saying, "The 'third person' won." The conversation took place on May 18, the date on which Ullrich won the time trial in the Giro d'Italia. In another transcript, Pevenage allegedly asked "for more".

Der Spiegel also claimed that the police records show TV coverage of Jaksche visiting Fuentes on May 14, and having blood taken. Jaksche has denied any connection to the doctor.

DPA reported that as a result of these latest allegations, team manager Olaf Ludwig has fired Rudy Pevenage. "He has been given notice," said Ludwig. Pevenage therefore stands to lose almost half of his annual wage of around €300,000. Ullrich's continued status in the team is unclear. He remains suspended until more details of the Spanish case are revealed.

daytonian

Think of all the strudel, brats, and fraulines Ullrich has being stuffing in his pie hole the last week.

DrPete 

+1. If the DS's are fostering the environment where these things can happen, they need to be shown the door.

DrPete

botto 

probably only one Fräulein, considering he just got married

Snuffleupagus

Who'll take over for ol' Rudy? Maybe Der Jan needs to start looking for a post racing career

DrPete 

How about becoming a "the older I get the better I was" ex-pro who gives bitter interviews and owns a bike company?

Oh, wait, that job's taken.

DrPete

botto 

i'm sure the sales of the Ullrich bikes are going great. Here's there new sales pitch:

Jan Ullrich Fahrräder: wir benutzen spezielle Vorbereitungen!

fruitless

I've almost turned 180 degrees on Lemond in the last 6 months. I much more enjoy listening to retired Lemond vs. retired LA and maybe there is something to Lemond's contention that there have been no fundamental evolutions in training so the pace of the modern peloton is coming from. . . ? Plus, the dude had to beat the badger, sheesh.

sorry for hijacking the thread

Snuffleupagus

Jan Ullrich Fahrräder: Schneller mit Drogen, Langsamer mit Strudel

Snuffleupagus

I don't know about that, look at the evolution of endurance athletes in other sports. Recall that once upon a time the 4 minute mile was thought to be unbreakable. Now you're not a serious miler until you're well into the 3:50s.

Also:
1. Bicycle technology is better
2. Higher cadence is en vogue
3. Training with heart rate monitors, power meters and lactate threshold kits
4. Improved sports nutrition and sports medicine programs...

The list goes on...

botto 

1. Bicycle technology is better thanks, in part, to innovators like GL
2. Higher cadence is en vogue
3. Training with heart rate monitors, power meters and lactate threshold kits GL was one of the 1st to use SRM cranks
4. Improved sports nutrition and sports medicine programs...GL always had otto to give him his iron injections

Snuffleupagus

Right...I'm not disputing LeMond's asskicking while he was in his prime, but he was a winner in his day. Now, others have adopted some of the things he and others used. Like aero-bars... hence the faster racing.

So the pace has quickened, the only development drug wise since LeMond's day is the increased use of EPO. Testosterone was still legal for use by the masses until the early 90s.

Smoothie104

And Growthe Hormone, by the way testosterone is undectable today as well, as long as you don't take too much at once.

fruitless

yeah, and no doping going on in the track world

Snuffleupagus

GH and test have been around since the mid 20th century...

Also, test levels will show up in the blood stream, more than 1000ng/dl is pretty damning. However, most guys don't have anywhere near that, and in the "51%" world of pro cycling I imagine there are many, many cyclists sporting right on 1000ng/dl.

asgelle

I'm not sure what you mean by the masses, but it was illegal for pro cyclists in the late '80's, if not earlier. Gert Jan Theunisse was suspended for testosterone in 1988.

Snuffleupagus

By masses I meant not illegal for consumption by the population at large, not banned in the sporting arena.

Smoothie104

Snuff, they still don't have a test to detect Gh, this is from 2002, but WADA and the IOC still can't tell the difference between real and synthetic,

https://www.endo-society.org/news/pre.../200206201.cfm

And you are correct on the Testo. WADA measure the ratio between test. and epitest. 6 to 1 is max i belive, there are a lot of guys right at the limit. 1 or 2 trip over it a year. They used to look for spikes in the levels which meant injections, but the athletes are using transdermal patches now, which puts it in slower.

alpe d'issaquah

Original found at the bottom here (https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l06/jul07news3)

From cyclingnews.com:

Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster."

Sincitycycler

You said "scrotum"...heh...heh

Mojo GoGo

Seems like this would be inconvenient and out dated. "The creme" by Balco was a concentrated test & epitest mixture that could be applied topically. Because it mixed both test and epitest you could spike your levels hormone levels but since the relative ratio between the two hormones were held constant you'd never test positive.

Not to mention you wouldn't have to tear patches off your scrotum

lotek 

now you know why cyclists shave, and how high up.

(file that under wtmi, atmo).

marty

7rider

Would you prefer scrotal sack? I wonder if they ever used the code word "nads".