Why does Versus Worship Discovery?
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Definitely covering for the "home" viewing audience. But so what, in the 2 races they've shown this year (cali and PN), Discovery has been dominant. I was in awe watching Contador yesterday. I would argue that this is the strongest team Discovery/USPS has ever had. Only crack in their armour that I see is the ability to win a big one-day classic race, place or show yes, but win, I dont see it.
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Just to be fair, they even pointed out themselves that perhaps it seemed like they were pulling for Discovery and that as <cough> commentators, they still tended to get carried away and root for a team that was giving such a brilliant performance.
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Isn't that kinda like US coverage of say, the Olympics? I mean why do they focus on the US competitors?
Go figure.
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Go figure.
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
Actually the Iditarod is on next. Beats the hell out of most of the other tripe they like to show
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Originally Posted by derath
Isn't that kinda like US coverage of say, the Olympics? I mean why do they focus on the US competitors?
Go figure.
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Go figure.
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This posting makes me think that Green Day was right. "Don't want to be an American idiot. Don't want a nation under the new media. And can you hear the sound of hysteria? The subliminal mind f*** America."
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^^^So, in essence, what you would prefer is that Versus completely alienate its viewers, so that ratings can drop even lower, thereby allowing them to cut cycling coverage altogether.
Just a great idea. Absolutely brilliant. There are so many other networks clamoring for the TV rights to cycling, the market will just explode. Tell me, who is the idiot?
edit---Also, if you want to hash out your political diatribes, try the P&R forum. On second thought, don't...I doubt that you'll enjoy it much, if you like to use Green Day lyrics as bullet points.
Just a great idea. Absolutely brilliant. There are so many other networks clamoring for the TV rights to cycling, the market will just explode. Tell me, who is the idiot?
edit---Also, if you want to hash out your political diatribes, try the P&R forum. On second thought, don't...I doubt that you'll enjoy it much, if you like to use Green Day lyrics as bullet points.
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Originally Posted by ri_us
It's insulting when Versus introduces the stage by saying "it's X miles between A town an B town, the same distance between D American town and E American town."
Versus has many reasons for constantly pimping Disco during a race, the fact that they are a sponsor is one of them.
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Originally Posted by ri_us
I think that the essence of watching sports is not dependent on a country connection. It's insulting when Versus introduces the stage by saying "it's X miles between A town an B town, the same distance between D American town and E American town." It also reinforces ignorance. Watching the athlete is much more interesting than where he's from.
This posting makes me think that Green Day was right. "Don't want to be an American idiot. Don't want a nation under the new media. And can you hear the sound of hysteria? The subliminal mind f*** America."
This posting makes me think that Green Day was right. "Don't want to be an American idiot. Don't want a nation under the new media. And can you hear the sound of hysteria? The subliminal mind f*** America."
the reason why they would say that town A is the same distance from town B, as town USA D is from town USA E is so the yokels watching the race can conceptualize the distance.
duh!
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Originally Posted by a77impala
I guess I must have been watching a different Versus, I thought they were just calling the race the way they saw it.
Of course, it was probably the most exciting day of stage racing since LA's win at Sestrierre in '99, and that excitement was provided by Contrador and Disco.
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Discovery was the strongest team in the race, easily. They almost won 50% of the stages. They executed perfectly taking victory from a guy who basically had it the whole way.
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Originally Posted by ri_us
I think that the essence of watching sports is not dependent on a country connection. It's insulting when Versus introduces the stage by saying "it's X miles between A town an B town, the same distance between D American town and E American town." It also reinforces ignorance. Watching the athlete is much more interesting than where he's from.
And I think the "X miles from town A to B being roughly equivalent to the distance between D and E American town" is great. It gives me a better sense of how far the riders are going that day. And where athletes are from is cool. Sure, I could Google it. Or I could look at the stage for that day on cyclingnews.com. But I'm watching TV, when I'm not following the race from work.
And I like to know if a guy is from Switzerland or Australia or Germany or France or Canada or Columbia or the Basque region of Spain, or wherever. I also want to know what his role is on the team, what he's won, when he's won it, and all sorts of other things.
Is Versus too USA-centric? Probably, but that's the audience. I would think that Belgian fans root for Belgian riders and Belgian teams. Italian fans generally want an Italian to win the Giro d'Italia. French fans want a French rider to win the TdF. But I think what's interesting and great about cycling, even in the Versus coverage, is that commentators and fans alike cheer for riders who turn in a brilliant race. Ultimately it doesn't matter where they're from. And Disco and Contador turned in a pretty brilliant race.
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Originally Posted by chipcom
Just to be fair, they even pointed out themselves that perhaps it seemed like they were pulling for Discovery and that as <cough> commentators, they still tended to get carried away and root for a team that was giving such a brilliant performance.
And, why make this into a jingoistic game? The sport is exciting without that stuff.
The sport needs (in part) real journalists to help it grow, not PR specialists who pose as journalists.
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Originally Posted by ri_us
That was the worst part. Journalists should be 1) objective and 2) at arm's length from advertisers. These guys are in bed with Trek and Disovery. The sport has enough of a black eye from drugs - why give it an ethical hernia with "journalists" with coflicts of interest? No one will respect that. Or, so I thought.
And, why make this into a jingoistic game? The sport is exciting without that stuff.
The sport needs (in part) real journalists to help it grow, not PR specialists who pose as journalists.
And, why make this into a jingoistic game? The sport is exciting without that stuff.
The sport needs (in part) real journalists to help it grow, not PR specialists who pose as journalists.
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Originally Posted by ri_us
That was the worst part. Journalists should be 1) objective and 2) at arm's length from advertisers. These guys are in bed with Trek and Disovery. The sport has enough of a black eye from drugs - why give it an ethical hernia with "journalists" with coflicts of interest? No one will respect that. Or, so I thought.
And, why make this into a jingoistic game? The sport is exciting without that stuff.
The sport needs (in part) real journalists to help it grow, not PR specialists who pose as journalists.
And, why make this into a jingoistic game? The sport is exciting without that stuff.
The sport needs (in part) real journalists to help it grow, not PR specialists who pose as journalists.
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Originally Posted by Ernesto Schwein
Its going to be a rough viewing season for you
FWIW Gerosteiner is a weak-ass team this year where Disco is a powerhouse, Rebellin is a little long in the tooth for even one day classics which is the only place his team might not make a difference. With a little effort you might be able to plug-in to some french language media and hear them gush all year about about Voeckler, Dessel or maybe De Gregorio.
I have to admit I was shocked by the Cannondale tech feature on todays Versus show.
FWIW Gerosteiner is a weak-ass team this year where Disco is a powerhouse, Rebellin is a little long in the tooth for even one day classics which is the only place his team might not make a difference. With a little effort you might be able to plug-in to some french language media and hear them gush all year about about Voeckler, Dessel or maybe De Gregorio.
I have to admit I was shocked by the Cannondale tech feature on todays Versus show.
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Originally Posted by aloysius
Did anyone mention that Versus sponsors Team Discovery? That's why.
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Originally Posted by 1slowbastard
You're insulted by this?
Versus has many reasons for constantly pimping Disco during a race, the fact that they are a sponsor is one of them.
Versus has many reasons for constantly pimping Disco during a race, the fact that they are a sponsor is one of them.
Incorrect. It's a fact that they are not a sponsor of Discovery. Think about why that might be...(hint...Discovery Channel, Discovery Health, Discovery Times, Discovery Kids, Discovery Home, BBC America, Science Channel, Military Channel, Animal Planet)
OLN was a sponsor a few years back when they were still USPS. A very minor sponsor.
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