Astana out of Tour de France
02-13-08, 08:46 AM
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yowza
but..... not surprised,
but..... not surprised,
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02-13-08, 02:19 PM
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02-13-08, 02:25 PM
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i've never liked contador, he seems sketchy... kloden? meh... doper. levi? levi is weird.. that uber time trial at the end of last years tour?? wowza.. sketch.. the whole team is suspicious and i'm glad they're not in the tour... sorry you joined the team chris horner, heh. it's fine with me, i want to watch legit teams...
02-13-08, 02:31 PM
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Has this ever happened before? Has the team carrying the previous yellow jersey not been invited back prior to this?
While I'm disappointed I can't say it won't stop me from watching The Tour.
Seriously, it's The Tour.
While I'm disappointed I can't say it won't stop me from watching The Tour.
Seriously, it's The Tour.
02-13-08, 04:12 PM
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This is completely ridiculous. They wiped out most of the riders, put new management in place, and they are spending $560,000 this year on internal doping controls. It's an entirely new team that's showing real commitment to eliminating doping. And the Tour is going to exclude them?
I'm sick of this crap. I've been glued to the Tour for the last 5 years. Not any more with asinine decisions like this.
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I'm sick of this crap. I've been glued to the Tour for the last 5 years. Not any more with asinine decisions like this.
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02-13-08, 04:20 PM
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i wouldn't be surprised to see this decision reversed at some point during the year. the giro decided to exclude astana and macquaid yelled about it. so i see this as a chance for ASO to take some more shots at him. you may see them allowing astana into the tour after all. makes them look like they're fighting doping AND they're good guys to let in a team that looks like it's mending it's ways
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02-13-08, 04:41 PM
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This is completely ridiculous. They wiped out most of the riders, put new management in place, and they are spending $560,000 this year on internal doping controls. It's an entirely new team that's showing real commitment to eliminating doping. And the Tour is going to exclude them?
I'm sick of this crap. I've been glued to the Tour for the last 5 years. Not any more with asinine decisions like this.
Bryan
I'm sick of this crap. I've been glued to the Tour for the last 5 years. Not any more with asinine decisions like this.
Bryan
02-13-08, 04:41 PM
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This is completely ridiculous. They wiped out most of the riders, put new management in place, and they are spending $560,000 this year on internal doping controls. It's an entirely new team that's showing real commitment to eliminating doping. And the Tour is going to exclude them?
I'm sick of this crap. I've been glued to the Tour for the last 5 years. Not any more with asinine decisions like this.
Bryan
I'm sick of this crap. I've been glued to the Tour for the last 5 years. Not any more with asinine decisions like this.
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02-13-08, 04:46 PM
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02-13-08, 06:55 PM
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looks like we might only get to see them in the US tours. im hoping they do pretty well next week.
02-13-08, 07:27 PM
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02-13-08, 08:40 PM
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From another article:
This could get interesting.
This could get interesting.
Also, both the pro teams’ association and the pro riders’ union indicated last week that they are prepared to boycott this year’s Giro d’Italia should the organizers not accept Astana and other UCI ProTour teams to the Italian grand tour. It’s likely they will now threaten to boycott the Tour. If that is the case, then there will be open warfare between the sport’s major players — that could only be resolved by arbitration.
02-13-08, 09:05 PM
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02-13-08, 09:33 PM
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Good, I'm glad to hear it.
It may make the Tour a little less interesting without Contador, but the sport has to be cleaned up. The dopers have been given to much rope already, with lenient 2-year suspensions and little or no ramifications for their teams. More drastic measures are required. Hopefully, punishing teams for the actions of their riders will lead to an environment of greater internal control, where the teams themselves have to make themselves responsible for eliminating doping from their squads.
It may make the Tour a little less interesting without Contador, but the sport has to be cleaned up. The dopers have been given to much rope already, with lenient 2-year suspensions and little or no ramifications for their teams. More drastic measures are required. Hopefully, punishing teams for the actions of their riders will lead to an environment of greater internal control, where the teams themselves have to make themselves responsible for eliminating doping from their squads.
02-13-08, 10:38 PM
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L A M E
what a joke. so what do you think did it? the fact that it was astana, or the fact that contador was on the team. all you guys supporting the decision are very gullible if you think this team would have been disqualified without having bruyneel, contador, and levi. there are shadows around them, and they are unfairly having astana's past serve as a justification for keeping them out. I guaruntee that if moreau, cadel, or even the schlecks were the gc guy for astana, they would be in the tour no questions asked.
maybe a team incentive to keep people from doping is a good idea, BUT THAT ISN'T A RULE NOW! why should a team that will be headed by people that raced in the tour last year be punished for something that their COMPETITORS did last year?
what a joke. so what do you think did it? the fact that it was astana, or the fact that contador was on the team. all you guys supporting the decision are very gullible if you think this team would have been disqualified without having bruyneel, contador, and levi. there are shadows around them, and they are unfairly having astana's past serve as a justification for keeping them out. I guaruntee that if moreau, cadel, or even the schlecks were the gc guy for astana, they would be in the tour no questions asked.
maybe a team incentive to keep people from doping is a good idea, BUT THAT ISN'T A RULE NOW! why should a team that will be headed by people that raced in the tour last year be punished for something that their COMPETITORS did last year?
02-13-08, 10:40 PM
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L A M E
what a joke. so what do you think did it? the fact that it was astana, or the fact that contador was on the team. all you guys supporting the decision are very gullible if you think this team would have been disqualified without having bruyneel, contador, and levi. there are shadows around them, and they are unfairly having astana's past serve as a justification for keeping them out. I guaruntee that if moreau, cadel, or even the schlecks were the gc guy for astana, they would be in the tour no questions asked.
maybe a team incentive to keep people from doping is a good idea, BUT THAT ISN'T A RULE NOW! why should a team that will be headed by people that raced in the tour last year be punished for something that their COMPETITORS did last year?
what a joke. so what do you think did it? the fact that it was astana, or the fact that contador was on the team. all you guys supporting the decision are very gullible if you think this team would have been disqualified without having bruyneel, contador, and levi. there are shadows around them, and they are unfairly having astana's past serve as a justification for keeping them out. I guaruntee that if moreau, cadel, or even the schlecks were the gc guy for astana, they would be in the tour no questions asked.
maybe a team incentive to keep people from doping is a good idea, BUT THAT ISN'T A RULE NOW! why should a team that will be headed by people that raced in the tour last year be punished for something that their COMPETITORS did last year?
02-13-08, 10:49 PM
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remember? last year? discovery folded very late into the season and everyone on the team had to scramble to find someplace to go. they were lucky to get in with astana. plus, there is a big difference from the aso saying they were going to try to keep astana out, and actually keeping them out when there is NO PRECEDENT for doing so. again, do you think that if moreau was the gc leader for astana, that they would be in the tour?
02-13-08, 10:51 PM
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Seriously. You go from one team that sheltered dopers to another, and then you expect people to believe you when you say you are clean?
Come on.
Come on.
02-14-08, 01:46 AM
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Also, both the pro teams’ association and the pro riders’ union indicated last week that they are prepared to boycott this year’s Giro d’Italia should the organizers not accept Astana and other UCI ProTour teams to the Italian grand tour. It’s likely they will now threaten to boycott the Tour. If that is the case, then there will be open warfare between the sport’s major players — that could only be resolved by arbitration
02-14-08, 04:19 AM
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