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#26
Yeah, I'll resize the picture in a bit. It shows up fine on my monitor, but yeah.
I figured it was a more useful example since it doesn't spike at the beginning and gradually ramps up starting at the turnaround.
I figured it was a more useful example since it doesn't spike at the beginning and gradually ramps up starting at the turnaround.
#29
This is on the high side, and I'm working to converge the two numbers through stretching, longer rides in the bars, etc.
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It seems that when people go to the wind tunnel, it's always with a TT frame, aero helmet, disc, etc. I'm sure most that can afford that have already decided to spend on equipment, and they're just refining their position.
Does anyone have published figures to show how much more drag is created by a non-TT frame with normal wheels, normal helmet, but a decent body position?
Does anyone have published figures to show how much more drag is created by a non-TT frame with normal wheels, normal helmet, but a decent body position?
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From: Driving the pace in the crosswind
Perhaps Jim Martin's research is what you are looking for?
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Perhaps Jim Martin's research is what you are looking for?
Yes, yes it is. Thank you.
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#41
Yeah. Don't ask on the internet. Go to your LBS and GET FIT IN PERSON!! A lot of people will advocate dropping a size or two from your road bike, but honestly, everyone's different, and the only way to tell is to go get fit in person.
#42
...and do you have any write-ups to reference? Was this discovered at your wind tunnel experience?
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Question on pacing strategies:
I understand and have experienced the benefits of negative splitting, starting a little easy, and building the effort as I go, but it's always been by perceived effort and sometimes HR. I've finally gotten off my lazy ass and set up my SRM on the TT bike. Do you guys have a certain formula for your pacing? i.e. 90% FTP for the 1st third, FTP for the 2nd, and 110% or what ever is left in the tank for the 3rd? I'm curious how much you find you need to hold back, without holding back too much. Obviously, this will vary and I need to find what's optimal for myself, but I could use some starting grounds.
I understand and have experienced the benefits of negative splitting, starting a little easy, and building the effort as I go, but it's always been by perceived effort and sometimes HR. I've finally gotten off my lazy ass and set up my SRM on the TT bike. Do you guys have a certain formula for your pacing? i.e. 90% FTP for the 1st third, FTP for the 2nd, and 110% or what ever is left in the tank for the 3rd? I'm curious how much you find you need to hold back, without holding back too much. Obviously, this will vary and I need to find what's optimal for myself, but I could use some starting grounds.
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#47
It's going to depend a lot on length of the TT. Your FTP is probably different on your TT bike than it is on your road bike, too, so I'd check into that, maybe do some field tests or something.
From experience, I know about what I can do on the TT bike for 10 min, 20 min, 40 min, and an hour, which seems to cover most TT's. When I start, I go a bit under that under (depends on the length again) for about the first half. The next 1/4, I'll usually go just a bit above the number (depending on how I'm feeling), and for the last 1/4, it's pretty much just all out.
Again, you kind of need to experiment and find out what works for you, though. Local practice TT's are muy bueno!
From experience, I know about what I can do on the TT bike for 10 min, 20 min, 40 min, and an hour, which seems to cover most TT's. When I start, I go a bit under that under (depends on the length again) for about the first half. The next 1/4, I'll usually go just a bit above the number (depending on how I'm feeling), and for the last 1/4, it's pretty much just all out.
Again, you kind of need to experiment and find out what works for you, though. Local practice TT's are muy bueno!
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Thanks UT-
After I posted this, I was thinking that my FTP, would probably be lower on the TT bike. For the purpose of discussion, assume I'm talking about a 40k TT, so ~52-60 minutes. I will play around with the pacing for sure, but before I get a chance to, I've got a District Champ 40k TT coming up a week from Saturday. Mostly I was looking to see if anyone had worked their pacing down to a science, or if it's just "don't go out too hard, and keep ramping it up".
After I posted this, I was thinking that my FTP, would probably be lower on the TT bike. For the purpose of discussion, assume I'm talking about a 40k TT, so ~52-60 minutes. I will play around with the pacing for sure, but before I get a chance to, I've got a District Champ 40k TT coming up a week from Saturday. Mostly I was looking to see if anyone had worked their pacing down to a science, or if it's just "don't go out too hard, and keep ramping it up".
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#50
That's usually about what I do as well. Although, the longer the TT, the flatter the pacing. My 2x monthly TT I run a lot closer to that strategy, than I do a 40k, where it's more like 5 under, at target, and 5+ over.






