waterrockets 

This. A test should be repeatable, including rest/prep before it.

jon-w9

Thanks.

I guess I was thinking of this as more of a "quiz" than a test.

And to reiterate, at no point did I think or allude to testing every week.

The squeeze comment was referring to my schedule. I will just wait 2 more weeks and test at the end of a cycle.

rankin116

ovoleg

going to give cyclinganalytics a shot right now, 30 day free trial!

thechemist

For editing the actual file, i do find GC better but all and all I am leaning towards CA. I don't have any issues with indoor training that I can see but I am looking at 2 rides and won't be able to compare them to GC until tonight. Which is another great thing, I can pour through my files on CA at work but I can't with GC.

I hate adjusting the FTP cadence all the time in the force/cadence chart but minor issue

mattm

/thread

Creatre

I like the site for the most part. But it really needs to be free. With WKO already purchased and Strava for half the price + social aspect, I don't see a reason to pay more monthly for that.

ovoleg

This. Great site so far and I'm diggin it. I give the guy props for all the hard work, it seems fairly bug free. Also liked the statistics page!

Not feelin the yearly sub fee. He should drop that in half, at least.

carpediemracing 

Okay so I am bad at search and Google.

For 40-20s what %FTP are you supposed to do? I read 110% VO2 and "easy" but based on watts what is that? 10% over FTP? To me that seems really low.

I just did some by feel and really blew up. I started at 380, 307, 286, 242, 226. I was pretty blown by the end and cut short my plan to do 10. FTP I haven't tested recently but it's in the 210-220w range at best.

I have had a power meter for many years but tonight was the first time I really wanted to train using the power meter

jsutkeepspining

I do them all out, followed by coasting, or mild spinning. For me it's a better adaptation for real racing YMMV

waterrockets 

So your first one is like a 40-second test, and you go right into another one after 20 seconds? In that case, a huge falloff would be the norm.

jsutkeepspining

Yep, that's the point, just like how in a race you might end up suddenly having to do a max 40 second sprint to catch a wheel, then proceed to do the exact same sprint multiple times.

shovelhd

Offthebackistan intervals.

Wylde06

I know these intervals quite well...

waterrockets 

I think that might be more effective (for me anyway) if I started it at the end of a threshold interval. A fresh 40-second launch is absolutely not something that will leave me in a situation of having to catch wheels in the next 20 seconds, and wouldn't simulate anything I've seen from power in a race. Coming at it from an exhausting threshold interval though, that's like exactly what it's like when I'm having trouble in the pack (or maybe a VO2 interval). An all-out effort over 30 seconds (when I start fresh) takes way too much out of me to have effective intervals after it. If I'm already tired, then it is something I can recover from and go again, because it will start the intervals with 250-300W lower power.

jsutkeepspining

Yes, i normally do these at the end of a long ride, or after a hard set of intervals. All-out is hard, these workouts are hard. that's the plan and i stick to it.

jon-w9

Another stupid question whilst I sort through this thread.

I have been doing my long rides on the rollers, using a magnetic resistance unit. these are 2-3 hours long. I have been coasting every 30m to re-zero my Powertap SL+, and I am noticing that when I start I am at 150W, 16 MPH (arbitrary numbers), and near the end I am at 150W, and 17.5 MPH. Now not only does the effort seem more at the higher speed, but my HR reflects this as well. I used to think this was simple decoupling and heating of the resistance unit, but now I am wondering if there is an issue with my hub.

I would think that if it was the mag. resistance changing, my speed would be steadily increasing and not only happening when I auto zero.

I have been doing a full calibration before riding (Edge 500), then every 30m coasting until the instantaneous power reads 0W.

Am I reading too much into this, or is there an issue with my (used) powertap? I only ask as I seem to see a lot of issues with the units as I browse through this thread.

Ygduf

Can't find the other post, or maybe it wsa just in chat, but I read this today about how the EP is calculated.

https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/blo...-is-calculated

Surely Strava is using a different value/rolling average. I think they use the "bikescore" calc mirrored from Golden Cheetah which iirc, is 20s buckets.

hack

So, bike and I are currently on the DL, which means I have some time to rebuild with different things. This may be the time to get the power meter. Again, leaning toward the Stages...will report back on this one day.

revchuck 

A couple of teammates just got Stages, and are pretty pleased with them so far.

misterwaterfall

Depending on the rollers/trainer they can tighten or loosen up when you ride them due to the heat that you start generating.

shovelhd

I calibrate my power meter on the trainer once per week, not 6 times per ride. Sheesh. You guys are way overthinking this stuff.

misterwaterfall

I usually do the beginning of the workout, then before the first interval whenever that may be. If it's just a long ride with no intervals I'll try to do it if I stop somewhere

shovelhd

Outside is different. We were talking about indoors.

Pay attention.

mattm

Ha, welcome to the 33!