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That's pretty much what a Powertap uses without an external cadence sensor to override it. It works.
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I remember the cadence data from my powertap being pretty sketchy. Granted it's been a few years. I think it's pretty different, anyway, since the PT's accelerometer isn't directly measuring crank cadence it has to do quite a bit more interpretation..
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If a cadence/speed sensor is present, you can set a Garmin to ignore the powertap inferred cadence, but the PT is still using its accelerometer to measure wheel speed and calculate power internally.
Stages and Garmin Vector use accelerometers to measure pedaling cadence and therefore power, and those cadence measurements are accurate because the accelerometer is on the spinning part that it's measuring. That is what I believe the Quarq will do in the absence of a cadence magnet.
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I see Quarqs at nicely discounted prices. Any idea if they're releasing something new sometime soon?
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Hey guys got a set of ENVE 6.7s with a powertap G3 laced in. Just got them from another local rider and they were minimally used. First two rides I noticed that my Garmin 500 will Auto Pause/Resume during the ride. Seems like the power drops out causing the garmin to think I have stopped and then it will resume again. It did this about 7-8 times during my hour recovery ride the other day, just really annoying. Is has calibrated @ 506 so that doesn't seem to be off. Any ideas?
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When you are training with power you should shut auto pause off. You want to measure your stop time. It affects the cumulative metrics like IF, TSS, etc.
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But on the flip side, I got annoyed that all of my stopped time was counted towards my total training hours. Too many stoplights around here.. and they're super long.
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I still have auto pause on. I don't train sitting at stop lights, I train moving. And my garmin won't show me time without 0mph in it without having auto pause on.
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I only recently turned autopause off because I was testing to see whether the pause-at-time-of-stop was contributing to the disappearing ride phenomenon.
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Any thought on doing 8 mile time trials, there and back, as suggested in the friel book? I don't have any roads other then rolling hills I can do for 8 miles straight..
Not pedaling for 10 seconds to do a quick 180 wouldn't throw things off too bad would it?
edit - I'm talking for FTP testing. Sorry
Not pedaling for 10 seconds to do a quick 180 wouldn't throw things off too bad would it?
edit - I'm talking for FTP testing. Sorry
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Any thought on doing 8 mile time trials, there and back, as suggested in the friel book? I don't have any roads other then rolling hills I can do for 8 miles straight..
Not pedaling for 10 seconds to do a quick 180 wouldn't throw things off too bad would it?
edit - I'm talking for FTP testing. Sorry
Not pedaling for 10 seconds to do a quick 180 wouldn't throw things off too bad would it?
edit - I'm talking for FTP testing. Sorry
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Stages and Garmin Vector use accelerometers to measure pedaling cadence and therefore power, and those cadence measurements are accurate because the accelerometer is on the spinning part that it's measuring. That is what I believe the Quarq will do in the absence of a cadence magnet.
then again, a magnet forces one reading per revolution (which ultimately gets down sampled by most headsets to 1 reading per second). cadence could vary within a single revolution, which devices with accelerometers have the potential to detect, but the protocol for recording still winds up in downsampling to 1 # (is it averaged? is it a random value from the rotation? we don't know).
i'd think the accelerometer method, due to it's inherent nature, has more points of failure.
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these guys did live in a city, so it's probably worst case, but the amount of stopped time was shocking.
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you can see it gradually drop and have a better idea of when it might be done / when you might need to send it in. (sending it in is annoying, but with battery life of 1,900 or more hours for most units, it takes a while.)
tracks pretty well with actual training time. i suspect it is using voltage readings but don't know for sure.
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Stages support acknowledged that the PM appears to be reading high, and offered to take it back for recalibration. They said they have had some calibration problems with their Cannondale units, because the aluminum is so much thinner on SISL crankarms compared to Rival or Dura-Ace.
I have nothing but good things to say about Stages support, they were never defensive about the problem or trying to find fault with my claims.
I didn't want to send the unit back before this weekend's race (which I didn't end up racing anyway), and in the meantime there was an annoying BB-area creak I wanted to deal with, so I took the crank arms and pedals off and greased everything. Once reinstalled, the unit now seems to be reading accurately! I did a 13-minute climb yesterday and the power was very consistent with the time.
I have nothing but good things to say about Stages support, they were never defensive about the problem or trying to find fault with my claims.
I didn't want to send the unit back before this weekend's race (which I didn't end up racing anyway), and in the meantime there was an annoying BB-area creak I wanted to deal with, so I took the crank arms and pedals off and greased everything. Once reinstalled, the unit now seems to be reading accurately! I did a 13-minute climb yesterday and the power was very consistent with the time.
i'd say good customer service would have been THEM reaching out to people who have these units to let them know the readings are off, or at least there is the potential.
we're not talking about safety issues or life-saving equipment, but lots of cyclists live and die by these numbers in their training sessions.
the scenario you described is similar to what caused me to lose faith in quarq. they replaced lots of units, though.
yes, it is just that--a fail-safe.