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11-25-08, 12:18 PM
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11-25-08, 12:22 PM
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I don't think Bos will have to lose that much, and there's not much to really lose. He's pretty disciplined for a track sprinter and he's not built like the big guys. I think he's just going to need to do a lot of road training.
11-25-08, 03:40 PM
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I don't think weight is the main issue. I don't think he'll have the endurance. There's a trade off between maximal power and endurance, and track sprinters train to maximize the first and minimize the second. Endurance training causes the interconversion of fast twitch muscle fibers from type IIb to type IIa, which means that while they don't fatigue as quickly, they aren't as explosive. That's why track sprinters spend barely any time on the bike outside of the velodrome.
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11-25-08, 04:42 PM
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He rode pursuit in the 1980 worlds IIRC.
There is a pic of Heiden riding a pursuit on the front cover of the first 'Fabulous World of Cycling' book.
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11-25-08, 05:12 PM
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I don't think weight is the main issue. I don't think he'll have the endurance. There's a trade off between maximal power and endurance, and track sprinters train to maximize the first and minimize the second. Endurance training causes the interconversion of fast twitch muscle fibers from type II to type I, which means that while they don't fatigue as quickly, they aren't as explosive. That's why track sprinters spend barely any time on the bike outside of the velodrome.
Plus, he's a star working with some big name coaches who can help him reach his track peak for the Olympics and then taper and work on endurance. His fitness is there, and endurance is easy to train for, especially for a disciplined rider like Bos.
11-25-08, 05:12 PM
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There's a trade off between maximal power and endurance, and track sprinters train to maximize the first and minimize the second. Endurance training causes the interconversion of fast twitch muscle fibers from type II to type I
11-25-08, 05:14 PM
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11-25-08, 05:32 PM
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12. In general prep, the sprinters might do 2 x 1hr easy aerobic/coffee
rides per week and an easier recovery ride on days off (unless the're too
fat, then they might do 2hrs and less chocolate cake). This year, we are
doing a total of six aerobic development rides (over Christmas - fat time).
In spec prep, they just do the recovery rides.
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15. Here's the logic.
Volume is a speed killer. It doesn't matter what you do, if you do a lot, it
will make you slower. The protein in your muscles (myosin heavy chain
isoforms for those who know their molecular biology) will change to a
slower, more endurance friendly type if you do too much volume. This is
individually variable, but two sessions every day of anything will make you
slower as will lots of aerobic work. You might still be fast for an enduro,
but in sprinter terms, you're still slow.
rides per week and an easier recovery ride on days off (unless the're too
fat, then they might do 2hrs and less chocolate cake). This year, we are
doing a total of six aerobic development rides (over Christmas - fat time).
In spec prep, they just do the recovery rides.
...
15. Here's the logic.
Volume is a speed killer. It doesn't matter what you do, if you do a lot, it
will make you slower. The protein in your muscles (myosin heavy chain
isoforms for those who know their molecular biology) will change to a
slower, more endurance friendly type if you do too much volume. This is
individually variable, but two sessions every day of anything will make you
slower as will lots of aerobic work. You might still be fast for an enduro,
but in sprinter terms, you're still slow.
Edit: by the way, I meant to say type IIb to type IIa. So yeah, my first post was wrong. You're still an ******* though.
11-25-08, 06:47 PM
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i am not so sure about the hoy>bos. they are pretty closely matched and make for some awesome youtube videos. in the match sprints i have seen, bos seems to have to go early to beat hoy (longer sprint favors hoy). hoy has the massive explosion that is unmatched in the world. it seems to me that road sprints are much more to bos's style.
but, have you guys seen hoy's quads? i stole this pic from the track forum. a mere mortal and chris hoy:
but, have you guys seen hoy's quads? i stole this pic from the track forum. a mere mortal and chris hoy:
Heh heh.
The big man looks even more impressive in real life...
In his own words Hoy would never manage road racing although he reckons he is bloody quick over short distance road races. He can't do them though as he would lose the explosive power...
Oh, and to put that picture in to context, I'm 6'1" and a not too flabby at all 200lbs...
11-25-08, 07:15 PM
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alex, don't feel too bad. if i were standing in that picture, you would get a real contrast in leg size. (i'm 6'2 ish and 148 ish).
11-26-08, 07:24 AM
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This article from The Guardian covers some of the issues covered here, although it is intended for a general, non-cycling-specific audience:
https://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...tour-de-france
https://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...tour-de-france
11-26-08, 09:43 AM
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Just because Bahati can finish a flat stage doesn't mean he is road race quality. He got beat by Magnus Backstead, a B/C-list sprinter and breakaway specialist. Dean Downing, imo, is a superior sprinter to Bahati -- and he could finish the race without getting dropped.
Like I said, he's a talent in the US. But he's at best a decent leadout man in Europe (after all, that's who he was mostly competing against in this stage of Britain). He still has some years to get better.
Like I said, he's a talent in the US. But he's at best a decent leadout man in Europe (after all, that's who he was mostly competing against in this stage of Britain). He still has some years to get better.
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