Prize money.
10-14-10, 01:30 PM
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One thing that struck me about "no money" races (and, actually, "no places" races) is that I'm much, much more active. I jump, chase, attack, bridge, whatever. If I get shelled, so what. It's fun. It's the most fun.
It's not fun when I shell out $35 for a race and grimly stick with a plan because we're trying to either place or win money.
cdr
It's not fun when I shell out $35 for a race and grimly stick with a plan because we're trying to either place or win money.
cdr
10-14-10, 01:32 PM
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Edr,
Really though. Cars need their own dedicated tracks and need to have tons of enclosures and responses that cycling doesn't. The costs associated with everything is more expensive (equipment etc).
I don't think bike races should be as expensive, and I think lowering costs slightly and decreasing entry $$ is a good way to go.
Really though. Cars need their own dedicated tracks and need to have tons of enclosures and responses that cycling doesn't. The costs associated with everything is more expensive (equipment etc).
I don't think bike races should be as expensive, and I think lowering costs slightly and decreasing entry $$ is a good way to go.
10-14-10, 01:43 PM
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Edr,
Really though. Cars need their own dedicated tracks and need to have tons of enclosures and responses that cycling doesn't. The costs associated with everything is more expensive (equipment etc).
I don't think bike races should be as expensive, and I think lowering costs slightly and decreasing entry $$ is a good way to go.
Really though. Cars need their own dedicated tracks and need to have tons of enclosures and responses that cycling doesn't. The costs associated with everything is more expensive (equipment etc).
I don't think bike races should be as expensive, and I think lowering costs slightly and decreasing entry $$ is a good way to go.
https://cyclingscience.org/blog/2010/...lParkCrit.aspx
10-14-10, 01:56 PM
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Edr,
Really though. Cars need their own dedicated tracks and need to have tons of enclosures and responses that cycling doesn't. The costs associated with everything is more expensive (equipment etc).
I don't think bike races should be as expensive, and I think lowering costs slightly and decreasing entry $$ is a good way to go.
Really though. Cars need their own dedicated tracks and need to have tons of enclosures and responses that cycling doesn't. The costs associated with everything is more expensive (equipment etc).
I don't think bike races should be as expensive, and I think lowering costs slightly and decreasing entry $$ is a good way to go.
Here is a typical week for Andrew Willis who promotes our weekly crit series. Tues arrives at venue and drops off equipment. Wed arrives at venue sets up equipment. Thursday arrives at venue around noon, cleans track, sets up computers, sets up start/finish banner. Puts on race. Leaves facility around 10pm after cleaning up everything and checking for trash on track etc. Friday comes back for one more sweep for trash. We pay 20 bucks for up to 3 races (depending on cat). Guys who put on RR races spend months getting the permits setting up the venue, arranging for port-0-potties etc. 35.00 really isn't all that much given what we receive in return.
10-14-10, 02:01 PM
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Lowering race entry fees won't bring more racers into the mix, if that's the intent.
To do that, you'd have to lower the bike entry fee.
To do that, you'd have to lower the bike entry fee.
10-14-10, 02:02 PM
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why it costs $10,000 to put on an industrial park crit.
https://cyclingscience.org/blog/2010/...lParkCrit.aspx
https://cyclingscience.org/blog/2010/...lParkCrit.aspx
9k for a race doesn't sound all that bad.
I wonder what Cdr's financials look like.
10-14-10, 02:10 PM
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I was going to say that we just put on a crit for way less than that. The point is that a race like that maybe can justify the entry fee, but the fact is that once they charge a certain fee all the other races will charge the same despite the costs of putting it on or the prize list.
10-14-10, 02:20 PM
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You can race with a 1k bike instead of a 3k bike, but you can't race with a 50 dollar entry fee if all you have is 25 bucks...
10-14-10, 02:30 PM
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At least that's my impression. That or they have the bike and just don't want to crash it.
But bringing race fees down from $35 to $25 wouldn't bring a ton of people into the sport, no matter what blotto says.
10-14-10, 02:38 PM
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Just my point even a $1k bike is stopping many from getting into the sport.
At least that's my impression. That or they have the bike and just don't want to crash it.
But bringing race fees down from $35 to $25 wouldn't bring a ton of people into the sport, no matter what blotto says.
At least that's my impression. That or they have the bike and just don't want to crash it.
But bringing race fees down from $35 to $25 wouldn't bring a ton of people into the sport, no matter what blotto says.
10-14-10, 02:39 PM
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The promoter I mentioned earlier, Andrew, is working on a more 'clog' style weekly race for us. It's going to be on a closed course and basically there will be an A and a B race each with a 10.00 entry fee. You get a number when you sign up and you wear it for the year. No prizes no pay outs. Just safe place to race your bike and bragging rights.
10-14-10, 02:46 PM
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10-14-10, 02:53 PM
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Just my point even a $1k bike is stopping many from getting into the sport.
At least that's my impression. That or they have the bike and just don't want to crash it.
But bringing race fees down from $35 to $25 wouldn't bring a ton of people into the sport, no matter what blotto says.
At least that's my impression. That or they have the bike and just don't want to crash it.
But bringing race fees down from $35 to $25 wouldn't bring a ton of people into the sport, no matter what blotto says.
Ever seen the financials of the kids who play travel basketball/soccer etc on good leagues? They rack up the fees with travel and entry/coaching etc.
What about lessons for musical instruments?
Like it or not, most activities have a certain 'entry fee' associated with them. That's just the way things are. Junior clinics and clubs certainly do help with bikes, expenses, and coaching. There are many good programs for getting youngsters into the sport.
Best to start working on the post count now then.
10-14-10, 03:13 PM
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I can't think of an event I've done this year that didn't have one..even the small events. These are hard costs, as a 48 year old father of two young children having an on site paramedic is very important to me..I'm willing to pay more for that. If the cost of having one there meant me paying 35.00 instead of 25.00 then I'll do it. I can see where a 21 year old might not have the same feelings.
10-14-10, 03:16 PM
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you would not like racing in the northeast then. I've done far more USAC races without them than with.
Chris Thater had one. Fitchburg did. I think Killington had one.
Chris Thater had one. Fitchburg did. I think Killington had one.