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Old 04-15-14, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by echappist
2930 W, per se, might not be so bad. i hear that Hoy has a maximum pop of 2 kilowatts. Shane Perkins is a hair above that. 5 seconds? Seems to border on land of unicorns.

That AND the fact he has a VO2max of 78ml/(kg*min)? Quintuple BS alarm
Yeah, 3K has got to be a typo. I'll give him 2k for 5", with a peak of maybe 2.1k as being perfectly reasonable. Back when I was fast, I was hitting 1750 max and 1650 5" when I "only" weighed 180lbs. Plus I have a lot less leg mass, proportionally (though he's got a lot of slow twitch going on too if you believe the ultra and half iron stuff). The only guy around here that I knew to be peaking at 2000W weighed 240 lbs. He also had a 1000W 1' power to my 822W.
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They're doing a high altitude study at work that includes VO2max testing. Maybe I'll volunteer just for fun.
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I get hazard pay too lol
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40 degree swing from yesterday's morning workout to today's. Ass.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
does some of the benefit of having trained dirty carry over into what one can do clean today?
Apparently, yes

An analysis of the long-term effects of performance-enhancing drugs - VeloNews.com
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40 degree swing from yesterday's morning workout to today's. Ass.
An inch of snow and ice at my house
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
Yeah, 3K has got to be a typo. I'll give him 2k for 5", with a peak of maybe 2.1k as being perfectly reasonable. Back when I was fast, I was hitting 1750 max and 1650 5" when I "only" weighed 180lbs. Plus I have a lot less leg mass, proportionally (though he's got a lot of slow twitch going on too if you believe the ultra and half iron stuff). The only guy around here that I knew to be peaking at 2000W weighed 240 lbs. He also had a 1000W 1' power to my 822W.
Well, according to my Garmin files, my peak power is in excess of 9,000 watts.

Of course, I also held 600 watts for an hour once.

Then Quarq's great customer service replaced my unit and my numbers fell back to earth.
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An inch of snow and ice at my house
I'm still down south. Snow in NJ as well.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
Yeah, 3K has got to be a typo. I'll give him 2k for 5", with a peak of maybe 2.1k as being perfectly reasonable. Back when I was fast, I was hitting 1750 max and 1650 5" when I "only" weighed 180lbs. Plus I have a lot less leg mass, proportionally (though he's got a lot of slow twitch going on too if you believe the ultra and half iron stuff). The only guy around here that I knew to be peaking at 2000W weighed 240 lbs. He also had a 1000W 1' power to my 822W.
As we all know I'm not really a smart guy and I'm not trying to question my iron brother here BUT:
Did a little googling and saw his bike setup. I would really question the validity of his claims based on pics I saw of the bike he uses. THere is not power on a single one of his pics which leads me to believe that that power number may have come from an exercise bike rather than a real road bike.
A lot of the other things he claims are doable though in his one youtube video he pulls a ~700 pound deadlift with a reported torn hamstring that he was waiting to have re-attached. I call BS on that one as the hamstring is one of the primary muscles used in a DL.
He much like myself yoyos in weight so my assumption is that when doing the powerlifting phase of his training he is much heavier (like in the posted pic) than in the tri phase.

As I have mentioned before when I was racing I have ridden +80 miles at pace with +5000 feet of


His V02 max is possible as mine was 74ish when I was 17.

At a weight of 227 I would run an average pace of a 7:15 mile for 10 miles but a sub 5 minute mile at that weight would be questionable.

I followed the link to the website listed and it seems like the proverbial meathead my "cock is bigger than yours" type website.

I train in a gym with National level powerlifters and could ask them their thoughts on the dude as they seem to google everyone.

If I maintained a powerlifting training protocol and was ****ing jacked up I do believe that I could achieve his numbers with the exception of the ultra marathon type events.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
40 degree swing from yesterday's morning workout to today's. Ass.
You know, I was thinking this morning, "Man, it's going to suck for Gary riding his rollers in the parking deck. I wonder if he is just going to set up in his hotel room?"
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I actually rode down there, but my feet hurt like hell afterwards when they started thawing out.
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oh, yes--this is absolutely true for cycling and endurance sports. if you dope and then can train harder for months and years one is forever ahead of where they would have been. (part of the reason why i think that doping violations should be lifetime bans--i know that is extreme and a few minor cases may get too harsh a penalty.)

i was curious how it works out on the body-building side. obviously, one gets bigger muscles so i assume it still transfers. kind of wondering about peak strength for those one-off lifts RK was quoting (vs aerobic efforts).
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
40 degree swing from yesterday's morning workout to today's. Ass.
You ready for 40's, wind and rain on Saturday, or are you gonna wimp out on me?
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Old 04-16-14, 09:25 AM
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if it's raining I won't be there. as of now only a slight chance though.
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
oh, yes--this is absolutely true for cycling and endurance sports. if you dope and then can train harder for months and years one is forever ahead of where they would have been. (part of the reason why i think that doping violations should be lifetime bans--i know that is extreme and a few minor cases may get too harsh a penalty.)

i was curious how it works out on the body-building side. obviously, one gets bigger muscles so i assume it still transfers. kind of wondering about peak strength for those one-off lifts RK was quoting (vs aerobic efforts).
I can tell who is on and off cycle based not only on appearance but also strength. One thing that is very prevalent is the difference between those that were serious bodybuilders/weightlifters before using drugs and those who took drugs to get their size/strength.
In most cases I can tell this very quickly. There are many big muscular guys who don't have the strength to match their muscle mass.
Furthermore I am not sure of the validity of drug use (EPO being the exception) for aerobic/anaerobic efforts. Their value comes in allowing the vody to recover very, very quickly post workout and allow you to train hard more frequently without fear of overtraining/injury.
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without fear of overtraining/injury.
Until the muscle develops faster than the tendon it relies on, right?
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Until the muscle develops faster than the tendon it relies on, right?
Correct.
That is often when you see guys get really bad tears that completely incapacitate them. The upside side is if they are taking GH on their cycle they repair very quickly...
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if it's raining I won't be there. as of now only a slight chance though.
There's nothing dangerous about this course, if that is part of the equation. Come on, Mr. Animated GIF. Let's rip it up.
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Originally Posted by rkwaki
Furthermore I am not sure of the validity of drug use (EPO being the exception) for aerobic/anaerobic efforts. Their value comes in allowing the vody to recover very, very quickly post workout and allow you to train hard more frequently without fear of overtraining/injury.
agreed--but that recovery allows someone to train more frequently and more intensely than they otherwise could. for the aerobic stuff, you don't get there without doing the work and putting in the hours on the bike, but the rider who trained dirty for 10 years has a leg up on the rider who was clean for those 10 years -- even if they are both now "clean." again, from my perspective, that supports the lifetime ban from professional competition when someone is actually caught. sitting out for a year doesn't give back the months and years of intense training.
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There's nothing dangerous about this course, if that is part of the equation. Come on, Mr. Animated GIF. Let's rip it up.
not really. Just hard to justify all that driving and a hotel etc to race in the rain, especially if it's dry somewhere else closer. we're going to decide before I get on the road back to NJ tomorrow.
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french insurance company is attempting to deny my claim against them for a case where their insured driver admitted 100% fault in hitting me. they gave me the runaround for a long time (which i expect, but i jumped through all their hoops), but what set me off was when they lied to me about french law.

retained a french attorney as a matter of principle -- lying to me goes beyond acceptable business practice.

they could have cut me a small check right away. in a way, i am lucky that they delayed as some of my injuries took a while to materialize (e.g., lower back pain that developed over 6 weeks and is now something i deal with every single day).

they're presently arguing with my lawyer but i need to spend more time collecting statements, getting info from my doctor, etc.

the funny thing is that all it was ever about is my actual medical bills + damage to my bike/gear -- a relatively small amount and nothing damages for a lifetime of pain that i may face.

just venting as i have spent a lot of time on getting the documents over the past months, and now i still have to put more time into it. part of the game, i guess.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
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Not as long as it doesn't start flashing your face with light or anything



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Originally Posted by tetonrider
french insurance company is attempting to deny my claim against them for a case where their insured driver admitted 100% fault in hitting me. they gave me the runaround for a long time (which i expect, but i jumped through all their hoops), but what set me off was when they lied to me about french law.

retained a french attorney as a matter of principle -- lying to me goes beyond acceptable business practice.

they could have cut me a small check right away. in a way, i am lucky that they delayed as some of my injuries took a while to materialize (e.g., lower back pain that developed over 6 weeks and is now something i deal with every single day).

they're presently arguing with my lawyer but i need to spend more time collecting statements, getting info from my doctor, etc.

the funny thing is that all it was ever about is my actual medical bills + damage to my bike/gear -- a relatively small amount and nothing damages for a lifetime of pain that i may face.

just venting as i have spent a lot of time on getting the documents over the past months, and now i still have to put more time into it. part of the game, i guess.


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