Training Status??? (III)
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Maybe this is a 'just for me' thing. I wasn't trying to be controversial. Generally, in my experience, crit racing is relatively calm punctuated with intermittent insanity. If you live through the insanity, then you can often hide in the pack and recover (should you care to race in this manner). If you want to race off the front for an entire crit race, then will essentially be at the same basic intensity level as a crit race. It's silly for me to race a crit (or any road race) OTF for an entire race (I just don't have the engine to make it stick), so I end up in the insanity/hide-and-recover group.
In CX, there's just no place to hide. You have to keep it pinned the entire time. There are all sorts of full body movements (lifting, running, jumping, etc.) and the bike efforts are generally 5-10 seconds of acceleration followed by a longer term threshold efforts.
Above all, it's just my opinion. YMMV (and probably does).
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94mi of pretty much pure endurance with around ~5000ft of climbing. 5:40 on the two wheeled death machine. Holy hell do my nipples hurt.
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Being a big guy doesn't hurt you in cross. Very few cross courses have sustained climbs (Griffith Park being the only local course with a decent amount of climbing). Having a 26" MTB isn't the best plan, but honestly, it's just not that big of a deal. Race it. Get some Semi-slick tires for the turf, you don't want to carry around big knobbies. That's about the only concession I'd have people make. It's not really a Vo2Max workout, it's really a threshold workout. You go for about 40 minutes straight.
Honestly, the racing is hard. Races are much harder in CX than, say, a crit. You just end up digging a deeper hole. The fun part is the vibe of the place. People end up taking it about as serious as it should be taken (as opposed to road, which is taken _way too_ seriously for a bunch of amateurs). This isn't to suggest that people aren't trying to win. You bet they are. It is just a different vibe and a good change of pace.
Having done my sales pitch, I think the track thing is very cool and probably great for developing yourself as a crit racer. Not to mention that we have access to one of the premier velodromes in the country.
Honestly, the racing is hard. Races are much harder in CX than, say, a crit. You just end up digging a deeper hole. The fun part is the vibe of the place. People end up taking it about as serious as it should be taken (as opposed to road, which is taken _way too_ seriously for a bunch of amateurs). This isn't to suggest that people aren't trying to win. You bet they are. It is just a different vibe and a good change of pace.
Having done my sales pitch, I think the track thing is very cool and probably great for developing yourself as a crit racer. Not to mention that we have access to one of the premier velodromes in the country.
I had these tires on my 26" from when I was riding my MTB around in the winter to mix things up when the snow would be light. What do you think? Any other tires you might recommend? It might of been a threshhold ride but the practice session I did felt like vo2max+threshold. I had no power meter but based on HR I was about 5 beats from max the whole time with a few sections where I was at max. It was fun for sure, going to just try to take it less serious and enjoy it for
Tires: Schawlbe CX Pro Performance Line
I might be back in Cali early next year, my parents are getting older and I might just return to better weather to help them out and be close to my family. Not sure yet, just thinking about it.
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For Ohio, where you see a reasonable amount of mud, those tires are probably a good choice for cross. For CA, or for any course that was drier, you'd be better off with a 'semi-slick' tire that rolls better. Ritchey makes a couple as does Schwalbe. I think they are all wider, in the 2" range. Honestly, I haven't found a problem with going to a wider tire as long as you can fit in in the frame. I run bigger than UCI tires. I think they're an advantage because it allows me to run lower pressures. I'll be on tubulars this year, so all of them are UCI legal. You can run the spongy pressures on them and not get in trouble regardless.
Good luck regardless of which way you go.
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I did 3 rides in the last 4 days, not really hilly but definitely not flat. One teammate pointed out that I've done almost 1/3 of my total annual elevation in those 3 rides. For the record I'm just over 2000 miles for the year, 21k feet, and I did 6k of those feet in the 3 rides.
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Over the weekend I should have put in maybe 200 miles including a good CX workout. As it is, I haven't touched the bike. The good news is that I was just able to touch my toes during a bout of stretching. My back is getting better, but damn, it's annoying to be in this position. I guess the other good news is that I was light on the scales this morning.
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88mi, 8300ft of climbing, 5:25, all endurance, save for 5 10sec sprints in the last half hour.
17 hours in 3 days. Hell weekend complete. Drinking the finest coke I've ever tasted.
BTW...is it like...normal to feel tingly after you get off your bike when doing this sort of volume? Like not bad tingly...beta-alanine tingly.
17 hours in 3 days. Hell weekend complete. Drinking the finest coke I've ever tasted.
BTW...is it like...normal to feel tingly after you get off your bike when doing this sort of volume? Like not bad tingly...beta-alanine tingly.
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yes.
I get the beta alanine tingles regularly near the end of hard rides. Even hard, short, rides.
I get the beta alanine tingles regularly near the end of hard rides. Even hard, short, rides.
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hit 3 hrs today, will do another 3 tmrrw (day off work)
at this point its all pretty much jra/what i want until nov or oct at earliest. i will do the carlsbad crit next weekend and continue to race TNR at the track until the season is over, however.
at this point its all pretty much jra/what i want until nov or oct at earliest. i will do the carlsbad crit next weekend and continue to race TNR at the track until the season is over, however.
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9x4' hill repeats. Why 9? Because I lost count. Duh.
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I agree with FB. CX is MUCH harder than a crit, and it's hard no matter whether you're kicking ass or sucking wind. It's not like a crit, where you can sit in and recover in the draft. In cyclocross, you do need to take opportunities to recover, but you have to be much more strategic and opportunistic about it, since recovery pretty much means pedaling less. I would disagree that it's a threshold workout, though. You might end up with an average power somewhere around your threshold, but a graph of power output would look a lot like a crit, lots and lots of spikes. It's probably even more extreme than a crit in this respect.
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Oh, now at about 1 week off the bike, other than commuting. STILL frickin exhausted a lot of the time. Life is hard right now! Happily, it's hard in good ways, so it's okay, but I want to go out and kick ass. Not happening for a while.
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Edit: Not saying your results suck though
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I had swollen lymph nodes for 4 months after I returned from Taiwan. Was only mildly sick for 2 days when we landed over there.
Dr. told me I had an "infection" that would run its course, which seems to be what happened.
Dr. told me I had an "infection" that would run its course, which seems to be what happened.
#4624
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More of the same...
Showing signs of improvement though, as I head into week 10 of base. Today I decided to ramp it up 5W/minute until it felt like threshold, then stop. I think my threshold is probably up about 10% from when I started base. Finally. Few more weeks of this...
Showing signs of improvement though, as I head into week 10 of base. Today I decided to ramp it up 5W/minute until it felt like threshold, then stop. I think my threshold is probably up about 10% from when I started base. Finally. Few more weeks of this...
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Finally back on a bike after an accident. I am still off of the road but have been getting some hours in on the local rail trail. Hating the stone powder and it's almost all flat but I guess it makes you pedal and no coasting makes a decent workout.
I am in the PT gym 2x a week lifting weights and core/stability exercises. Despite being off the bike for so long, I feel the benefits of all the leg presses, weighted walking lunges, one leg squats, etc...I will work gym time in from now on. My on bike performance is not so hot yet but I feel I did not lose too much fitness overall.
Hoping to come back stronger but still not cleared to race :-(
One thing I did notice is that after two months of rest (no daily dose of major cardio), my HR ceiling is up almost 5bpm and my HR recovery time is quicker. I guess one does need to rest the old ticker every now and then.
I am in the PT gym 2x a week lifting weights and core/stability exercises. Despite being off the bike for so long, I feel the benefits of all the leg presses, weighted walking lunges, one leg squats, etc...I will work gym time in from now on. My on bike performance is not so hot yet but I feel I did not lose too much fitness overall.
Hoping to come back stronger but still not cleared to race :-(
One thing I did notice is that after two months of rest (no daily dose of major cardio), my HR ceiling is up almost 5bpm and my HR recovery time is quicker. I guess one does need to rest the old ticker every now and then.