Pretty thorough review. As I had posted it is finding a way to torque them properly that is my biggest concern. I own them - but I am not riding them. These are on junior's trainer's bike. He is a low RPM VERY high torque (former Mr Olympia) rider. So I'm interested in the low RPM results. I'f I can convince junior to have another monitoring device I can compare his high spin to trainer's low spin. It will be a few weeks before they are in punchy rides. Come Dec I should have good data.

The Moxy is the other one I learned about here. As this just goes in one place I'll never know the numbers it gives attached to the arm or head.
While I'm sure you know the difference between the terms accuracy and precision, it is mostly precision I care about. The accuracy part is just useful for posting to forums or trying to convince USAC coaches you can ride. I'd take a race result over a number from any device any day.

Oh yeah, I value precision over accuracy too. I like to know the number to the hundred-thousandth even if it's 10% off.

wat.

i typically find for instruments like power meters that precision without accuracy doesn't happen.

if you're using that tool for MLSS it could be interesting, but i'm guessing given the fact that you have schools evaluating your boy based on -- in theory -- actual lactate values (they do blood tests, right?), you maybe should care about accuracy in addition to precision.

ymmv.

No - evaluations are based on erg times - Concept 2. Just like in cycling selection is based on ITT times. For soccer GKs it is saves.
Just the way it is they select on numbers, not wins. I don't think it is correct to select that way, but that pretty much is how they select.
It is easier for coaches that don't know what they are trying to achieve.

I'm 6'3". my windvests don't flap. buy small!

didn't you describe a scenario the other day where a rowing coach was pulling blood lactate during ERG tests? (you were asking what it meant at values exceeding 4 mmol/l, no?)

assumed that meant that BL was something coaches at least look at, and if they are looking at it, that means you want to look at it as well. but if they're looking at different numbers than you are......well, there's your 'accuracy matters' bit.

I did. He was talking how the Russians were selecting and his numbers. No college I know of (I don't know that many and there are only a few for lightweight) does that for selection.
I'm sure if junior has a good number I'll let him know, as I let him know about VO2 max and cycling power. They all cross to a degree.
It is all erg and to some degree winning in a boat with a team - OR single skull winning, but most juniors do not single skull.

Is the Castelli Body Paint skinsuit pretty much the best on the block for aero-ness? Pre-prepping for 2016 and looking to save watts.

probably bio racer or drag2zero (simon smart)

i'd probably guess that specialized clothing will be making bigger waves in 2016 too

the differences between those three skinsuits are likely all in which one fits your body the best. buy all three and return 2!

New sponsor. Kids are pretty excited. Should have kits early 2016.

hey [MENTION=364302]Doge[/MENTION] -- I owe an apology.

Not sure why I mixed them up in the earlier post, but I knew you said that guy was measuring blood lactate concentration, and for some reason (brain fart!) i forgot Moxy, et. al. are measuring SmO2. Especially dumb as I've played with Moxy a bit.

Again, I don't know why I had my head stuck in non-invasive blood lactate measurements (which I've heard discussed) w/r/t those devices, and I clearly confused that with what you mentioned about that one coach's conversation with blood lactate measurements during a vo2max rowing test.

Sorry!

NP. I'm not finding the setup all so easy as I don't Android or iOS. Still seeming the Lactate measure tells the story that HR and power do not. If it works it is the definitive number on how hard and how much an athlete can take. I can't see why having a power number would trump a Lactate number - for telling the athlete what to do.

havent tried the body paint skin suit but I'm not overly impressed with our teams custom castelli stuff tbh.

do you have V1 or V2 of that lactate monitor.. ?

V2

Daniel was doing fitting yesterday. He was very excited about the San Remo suit and said that would be about all he races in other than TTs. They did not have the body paint suit. They did have a long sleeve "normal" skin suit. The Body Paint suit cost less than the San Remo suit if I'm getting the correct pricing. Daniel said the San Remo was the best quality he's seen. Says the tags say made in Italy.
I didn't get my hands on them yet and we should have an assortment of their stuff so I'll do pictures when I get them.

san remo is pretty sweet (is the skinsuit in my hillclimb pics) and has pockets enough for any race.

That's cause we're buying the cheap stuff. If we can get enough people to meet the minimums on the San Remo, or even on the Aero Race stuff (bibs/jersey), that stuff is great if a bit delicate. I still think what you get for the price from Giordana is better, but Castelli is fine. I actually really like everything except the Team jersey, which feels very last-decade. The plus side is that durability for the Team jersey and bibs are superb, they really last. I've also been happy with the cyclocross skinsuits, for what it's worth.

yeah i'm definitely not blown away by any of it. the collar on the cross skinsuit is annoying and i don't really get the 3/4 sleeves. the bibs we got seem really thin and the jersey as you mentioned seems low-tech.

my favorite custom kit mfgr by far is craft.

I would default to whatever Doge's kid rides.:rolleyes::p

Many of the "fast" skin suits, such as Castelli, are not very durable - big depends. So be prepared to have seams rip that require repair with a special sewing machine or they are good for a couple of races. My wife, who set a UCI world record this year on the track, rode in a Champion carbon skin suit with the zipper on the back. If fit really well and seems durable. Most clothing manufacturers do not understand that women are not small men.

Whatever you get, the fit should be amazingly tight and hence, the likelihood to damage it when putting it on and taking it off.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u...pszzyhnedy.jpg

my bodypaint skinsuit is so tight I bring a backup skinsuit in case it rips when I'm putting it on.

This is actually a thing that happened to me with the San Remo.