Racer Tech Thread
#1676
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Amazon.com: Udderly Smooth Udder Cream, Skin Moisturizer, 12 Ounce Jar: Health & Personal Care
works at least as well as anything else I've tried and much cheaper.
#1677
OMC


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From: South Louisiana
Bikes: Specialized Allez Sprint, Look 585, Specialized Crux E5 Sport, Trek Domane SL6
I think you have me confused with @Cleave. His stuff looks like new every time he rides it.
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#1678
Just picked up a SRM spider for Hollowgrams with SRAM rings and PC V for $297, shipped. I have the arms, bolts, and spider installation tool, now I just have to track down an SRM specific 104mm axle and lockring.
One problem: I don't think it will mount on my bars. I got a smokin' deal on the Cervelo S5 bars before I found the SRM. Any ideas?
One problem: I don't think it will mount on my bars. I got a smokin' deal on the Cervelo S5 bars before I found the SRM. Any ideas?
If you call SRM and tell them the serial number, they can tell you whether you have the new chassis and give you a sense of whether you need the SRM specific spindle.
#1679
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Joined: Jan 2014
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
. Can get = wheel profile, wheel width, aero bars, aero frames, aero helmets and even position.
Observation: I saw higher profile wheels in the Cat 3s than in the P12 race.
The following items have more aero selections available, generally at a higher weight, but at costs similar to what these riders chose to use. This was in a 28.4mph average speed race where AERO would certainly matter.
I saw no TT helmets.
I saw a very few what appeared to be over 70mm profile wheels.
I did not see any rear discs.
There were no tri-spokes
Tires were a mix of 23 and 25mm, I saw no 19mms
Estimate 80% had round handle bars.
The majority of bikes were round tubes.
There were few skin suits, and one speed suit (my kid)
There were no booties.
https://vimeo.com/129448200
Last edited by Doge; 06-01-15 at 11:55 AM.
#1680
my fave
Amazon.com: Udderly Smooth Udder Cream, Skin Moisturizer, 12 Ounce Jar: Health & Personal Care
works at least as well as anything else I've tried and much cheaper.
Amazon.com: Udderly Smooth Udder Cream, Skin Moisturizer, 12 Ounce Jar: Health & Personal Care
works at least as well as anything else I've tried and much cheaper.
#1681
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Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,766
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From: East Bay Area ,CA
Bikes: not enough
See the video of the exiting Cat 3s and milling at the start of a local SoCal good amateur race. The Cat 3s are finishing and leaving, those staging and starting are 30ish Cat 1s, same number of Cat 2s and small handful of pros. I only know 30% of these riders and about 10% know me
.
Can get = wheel profile, wheel width, aero bars, aero frames, aero helmets and even position.
Observation: I saw higher profile wheels in the Cat 3s than in the P12 race.
The following items have more aero selections available, generally at a higher weight, but at costs similar to what these riders chose to use. This was in a 28.4mph average speed race where AERO would certainly matter.
I saw no TT helmets.
I saw a very few what appeared to be over 70mm profile wheels.
I did not see any rear discs.
There were no tri-spokes
Tires were a mix of 23 and 25mm, I saw no 19mms
Estimate 80% had round handle bars.
The majority of bikes were round tubes.
There were few skin suits, and one speed suit (my kid)
There were no booties.
https://vimeo.com/129448200
. Can get = wheel profile, wheel width, aero bars, aero frames, aero helmets and even position.
Observation: I saw higher profile wheels in the Cat 3s than in the P12 race.
The following items have more aero selections available, generally at a higher weight, but at costs similar to what these riders chose to use. This was in a 28.4mph average speed race where AERO would certainly matter.
I saw no TT helmets.
I saw a very few what appeared to be over 70mm profile wheels.
I did not see any rear discs.
There were no tri-spokes
Tires were a mix of 23 and 25mm, I saw no 19mms
Estimate 80% had round handle bars.
The majority of bikes were round tubes.
There were few skin suits, and one speed suit (my kid)
There were no booties.
https://vimeo.com/129448200
#1682
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 10,588
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
Danny Munson does great up close photos and you can see the equipment used in various races.
D Munson Photo | 2015 Races
While I acknowledge what they use does not mean it is the best for that race, it is something to compare to.
D Munson Photo | 2015 Races
While I acknowledge what they use does not mean it is the best for that race, it is something to compare to.
#1683
Stone is still around and humbles many of us frequently.
#1684
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Joined: Apr 2015
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From: Chicago
Bikes: Parlee Z5i
I have a 3.6 mile time trial with some rolling terrain (2.5% grade) and a U turn halfway. I am not experienced with aero bars but was thinking about throwing some on my bike last second for this. Worth it?
#1685
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From: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur
#1686
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From: Houston
Bikes: Trek Madone, Blue Triad SL, Dixie Flyer BTB
In my experience, yes. Even without changing anything else (no seat/stem adjustments), I'm noticeably faster with clip-ons.
#1687
See the video of the exiting Cat 3s and milling at the start of a local SoCal good amateur race. The Cat 3s are finishing and leaving, those staging and starting are 30ish Cat 1s, same number of Cat 2s and small handful of pros. I only know 30% of these riders and about 10% know me
.
Can get = wheel profile, wheel width, aero bars, aero frames, aero helmets and even position.
Observation: I saw higher profile wheels in the Cat 3s than in the P12 race.
The following items have more aero selections available, generally at a higher weight, but at costs similar to what these riders chose to use. This was in a 28.4mph average speed race where AERO would certainly matter.
I saw no TT helmets.
I saw a very few what appeared to be over 70mm profile wheels.
I did not see any rear discs.
There were no tri-spokes
Tires were a mix of 23 and 25mm, I saw no 19mms
Estimate 80% had round handle bars.
The majority of bikes were round tubes.
There were few skin suits, and one speed suit (my kid)
There were no booties.
. Can get = wheel profile, wheel width, aero bars, aero frames, aero helmets and even position.
Observation: I saw higher profile wheels in the Cat 3s than in the P12 race.
The following items have more aero selections available, generally at a higher weight, but at costs similar to what these riders chose to use. This was in a 28.4mph average speed race where AERO would certainly matter.
I saw no TT helmets.
I saw a very few what appeared to be over 70mm profile wheels.
I did not see any rear discs.
There were no tri-spokes
Tires were a mix of 23 and 25mm, I saw no 19mms
Estimate 80% had round handle bars.
The majority of bikes were round tubes.
There were few skin suits, and one speed suit (my kid)
There were no booties.
Why would you expect TT helmets, tri-spokes, rear-discs, skin suits, or booties?
Regardless of whether any of the riders have them, common practice is to not use them in a crit/road race. I do count plenty of 'aero' helmets. So clearly they think the non (or very few) vented helmets give them an advantage over the more common super-vented helmet. At 1:37 in your video, I could 4 out of the 8 visible helmets in the front row as 'aero'.
I know plenty of racers who have a cheap-ish crit bike with 'just good enough' and 'wouldn't cause a divorce if I broke it' equipment, but also have a $10k super-light road beast in the garage. I suggest using equipment selection for a "Local SoCal Amateur Race" isn't the best sample.
Further, I suggest Cat 3s are more likely to have just one set of race wheels. So if they can afford one set of nice deep carbon wheels, they'll ride them in crits, road races, TTs, etc. Whereas a Pro/1/2 might have more wheelsets to pick and choose from for a particular situation. Might explain your observation of more aero gear in the 3s.
I guess my point is that you seem to be making sweeping generalizations based on observations that have an enormous amount of unaccounted for variables.
#1688
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
For the context you have to go back a few posts. This was a counter point to aero being more important than weight and an illustration that the most aero stuff is not always used.
It depends on several things what you choose, and as you can see from other pictures and the milling around video (done for [MENTION=123900]tea[/MENTION]tonrider) it is pretty much as you say.
#1689
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
Do you mean clip on bars (yes), or handlebars that are aero (no).
#1691
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From: Southern California, USA
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They will make a significant difference over just being in the drops for two reasons. They get your arms inside as a wind break to your body instead of being outside your body and likely get your torso lower than you would be comfortable riding in drops bending your elbows. The angle between your torso and legs is NOW more acute and you have a smaller total profile facing the wind.
Now the down side...
This may affect your fit/comfort on the bike. Your power may be lower. This position would normally call for the seat being moved forward and higher.
If you are experienced at riding with forearms on the bar tops (I assume you are not) there would be little difference except in the large power sections where you can pull against the clip-on.
If that 2% is going to keep you much under 20mph, you may want to sacrifice the aero and go for comfort and power, however as it is out and back I assume your have some speed on the 2% decent. Aero always matters, just more as speeds get higher.
Now the down side...
This may affect your fit/comfort on the bike. Your power may be lower. This position would normally call for the seat being moved forward and higher.
If you are experienced at riding with forearms on the bar tops (I assume you are not) there would be little difference except in the large power sections where you can pull against the clip-on.
If that 2% is going to keep you much under 20mph, you may want to sacrifice the aero and go for comfort and power, however as it is out and back I assume your have some speed on the 2% decent. Aero always matters, just more as speeds get higher.
Last edited by Doge; 06-02-15 at 03:37 PM. Reason: NOW was not - spell correction
#1692
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From: Sacramento, California, USA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur
This is a mass-start race...
Why would you expect TT helmets, tri-spokes, rear-discs, skin suits, or booties?
Regardless of whether any of the riders have them, common practice is to not use them in a crit/road race. I do count plenty of 'aero' helmets. So clearly they think the non (or very few) vented helmets give them an advantage over the more common super-vented helmet. At 1:37 in your video, I could 4 out of the 8 visible helmets in the front row as 'aero'.
I know plenty of racers who have a cheap-ish crit bike with 'just good enough' and 'wouldn't cause a divorce if I broke it' equipment, but also have a $10k super-light road beast in the garage. I suggest using equipment selection for a "Local SoCal Amateur Race" isn't the best sample.
Further, I suggest Cat 3s are more likely to have just one set of race wheels. So if they can afford one set of nice deep carbon wheels, they'll ride them in crits, road races, TTs, etc. Whereas a Pro/1/2 might have more wheelsets to pick and choose from for a particular situation. Might explain your observation of more aero gear in the 3s.
I guess my point is that you seem to be making sweeping generalizations based on observations that have an enormous amount of unaccounted for variables.
Why would you expect TT helmets, tri-spokes, rear-discs, skin suits, or booties?
Regardless of whether any of the riders have them, common practice is to not use them in a crit/road race. I do count plenty of 'aero' helmets. So clearly they think the non (or very few) vented helmets give them an advantage over the more common super-vented helmet. At 1:37 in your video, I could 4 out of the 8 visible helmets in the front row as 'aero'.
I know plenty of racers who have a cheap-ish crit bike with 'just good enough' and 'wouldn't cause a divorce if I broke it' equipment, but also have a $10k super-light road beast in the garage. I suggest using equipment selection for a "Local SoCal Amateur Race" isn't the best sample.
Further, I suggest Cat 3s are more likely to have just one set of race wheels. So if they can afford one set of nice deep carbon wheels, they'll ride them in crits, road races, TTs, etc. Whereas a Pro/1/2 might have more wheelsets to pick and choose from for a particular situation. Might explain your observation of more aero gear in the 3s.
I guess my point is that you seem to be making sweeping generalizations based on observations that have an enormous amount of unaccounted for variables.
#1693
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From: Chicago
Bikes: Parlee Z5i
They will make a significant difference over just being in the drops for two reasons. They get your arms inside as a wind break to your body instead of being outside your body and likely get your torso lower than you would be comfortable riding in drops bending your elbows. The angle between your torso and legs is not more acute and you have a smaller total profile facing the wind.
Now the down side...
This may affect your fit/comfort on the bike. Your power may be lower. This position would normally call for the seat being moved forward and higher.
If you are experienced at riding with forearms on the bar tops (I assume you are not) there would be little difference except in the large power sections where you can pull against the clip-on.
If that 2% is going to keep you much under 20mph, you may want to sacrifice the aero and go for comfort and power, however as it is out and back I assume your have some speed on the 2% decent. Aero always matters, just more as speeds get higher.
Now the down side...
This may affect your fit/comfort on the bike. Your power may be lower. This position would normally call for the seat being moved forward and higher.
If you are experienced at riding with forearms on the bar tops (I assume you are not) there would be little difference except in the large power sections where you can pull against the clip-on.
If that 2% is going to keep you much under 20mph, you may want to sacrifice the aero and go for comfort and power, however as it is out and back I assume your have some speed on the 2% decent. Aero always matters, just more as speeds get higher.
#1695
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
That sail effect in couple testing session I've done works like a real sail that you have to hold. Holding resulted in higher HR for the rider putting the same power into the pedals. I'm assuming from upper body effort required to hold the sail. This is real energy, just not reflected in power meters, but indicated in higher HR.
#1697
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
#1699
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From: Southern California, USA
Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753
Number crinkling is so 2015. I'm burnishing...
Talked to "the guy" ref Sunday about my number crinkling addiction. He showed me how instead of rolling the number into a ball I could burnish it over a rail or corner to soften it without all the creases. I am converted.
He thought the 3M 77 was right on for attaching. I told him about Goo Gone gel to get it off.
Talked to "the guy" ref Sunday about my number crinkling addiction. He showed me how instead of rolling the number into a ball I could burnish it over a rail or corner to soften it without all the creases. I am converted.
He thought the 3M 77 was right on for attaching. I told him about Goo Gone gel to get it off.



