Originally Posted by well biked
I agree. The frame-only weight of a 19 3/4" (center to top) Centurion Accordo frame with Tange Infinity tubing (chromoly, but lower-end tubeset) is 4 lbs., 15 ounces. The frame-only weight of the frame I mention in my above post, the Centurion Pro Tour (21" frame) with Tange Champion #2, is 4 lbs., 13 ounces. The Pro Tour is fully chromed beneath the paint, though, so that would add a few ounces. For comparison, my '83 Schwinn le tour luxe (23") frame-only weight is 5 lbs., 8 oz. The '83 le tour luxe is generic, plain gauge 4130. No real significant difference in weight between the frames, what difference there is would be mostly attributed to frame size-
Also, the Comp TA (again, largest model they made, 63cm ctt) weighs in at 4 lb. 12 oz.
I'm going to weigh the Centurion Ironman Expert later today and will post its weight here as well.
As a side-note, the 4130-cromoly Le Tour Luxe is still about 1.5 lighter for frame+fork than the 1020-steel Le Tours of the same size.