It's crotchety old man day on the FG forum!
Some of your guys are like listening to my father in law, and I'm old enough to have gone to school and then had two kids, so you gotta know he ain't no spring chicken.
Kids are kids, and those civics (annoying as they may be) are no louder than a big block Super Bee was back in the day. Though the Bee is more fun.