Originally Posted by auk
Duret, the least you could have done is post pics of bike that were NOT the earliest generations of said materials. Come on, the Vitus and the Giant with lugged alu/carbon? This is not the early 90's.
Both materials now enjoy being built into some of the stiffest frames you will find. Stiffer than steel? Usually.
yeah that was kind of my point.
EDIT: and just to be even more clear by "kind of" I mean exactly.
I chose two outdated flexy examples of cf and Al to point out the the flaws of Judas' absurd statement that ti makes noodles. Yes a lot of early ti bikes(and some current touring ones) aren't the stiffest out there but the same could be said of early Al or CF. Ti, Al and CF are all made into incredibly stiff frames now and just because you can find a noodle made out of ti does not mean that ti frames are doomed to being flexy any more than with CF or Al.
EVEN MORE EDIT: apparently I was still not clear enough. the words above those pictures were purely sarcastic. I do not think that steel is the only material that can make stiff bikes. In fact I think ti, al, and cf all make better light stiff frames then steel does. I enjoy riding bikes made out of all these materials(and just wish I had more oportunities to ride ti ones.)