Thanks! By todays standards, yes. But back in 1980 when I bought my second road bike and my first Schwinn, the LBS sold me the exact same sized frame. The Collegiate is too small for me as a 21" frame, but I love riding it (only 5 gears and no NH hill has stopped me yet ). This week I brought home a '62 Continental in a 23" frame. Next spring I'll see how it rides.