Originally Posted by bikeage
personally, I don't think they are worth the price because the tubes are just straight up 4130. For the price an IRO Mark V or even IRO Angus is a way better deal.
weight of frame:
Pake: something around 5 lbs
Mark V: 4.3 lbs
That's almost a pound and the Mark V is cheaper or around the same price depending where you buy the Pake.
I'm pretty sure the Mark V is 4130 as well. The Angus is upgraded to 631. The Pake sizing makes much more sense than the IRO sizing.