Another thought....Have you guys ever checked out Nashbar frames? If not you should have a look. Nashbar offers some really nice looking frames for dirt cheap, and with no graphics on them. They have a steel MTB frame for $45, and several other nice aluminum frames for less then $120! The Carbon/Alu Hybrid AluC road frame is also really nice. If enough of us are interested, maybe we could get Nashbar to offer a low cost all purpose frame with track ends or horizontal dropsouts. Perhaps along the lines of Reynolds 853, like their orange MTB frame ($279). If they could offer a $200-250 Reynolds 853 or 631 frame, it would be the best deal out there. Hell, any one of their frames with horizontal dropouts would be a smokin' deal.

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