so, it seems:

- carbon fibre is out unless we were able to score a bootleg of an existing frame direct from the manufacturer.

- if we went the titanium route, it wouldn't be worthwhile unless the tubing quality was decent

- the viability of getting someone to make 25+ worthwhile lugged frames in a reasonable amount of time would be questionable. what's unclear is what grade of steel are we going for? entry level offerings like 631 and zona, mid range like life and ox platinum, or top end such as spirit and s3?

- aluminum fans are looking for pista concept quality at a tsunami price. i think we'd have to be most diligent about quality control going this route.


now, unpainted, welded, frame only, 1 1/8" headtube, english bb with track ends seems the easiest to ship and manage.

how steep are people looking for the geometry to be? possibly make a poll down the road for who wants less and who wants more than 73.5*x73.5*

i think group ordering a bootleg of a nicer frame would be better than getting a volume discount on something like a bareknuckle. commissioning a frame is the most exciting prospect to me.