I take all my rants back. I 've found grant paints his frames with pixie dust. he invented the touring bike, saved brooks saddles from ruin. heck, he even invented SHEEP. He's in the running for a knighthood and the order of the royal garter....

I've seen small businesses take advantage of their customers money, and i don't like it one bit.

I worked for a respected outdoor gear supplier - Marmot Mountain Works,(not Marmot the manufacturer) shops in California and Washington. the owner had us take money from the customer for special orders from suppliers that had Marmot on credit hold, and not think twice about making customers wait until he paid his overdue invoices off.

I had to send climbers up to Denali and the Himal, missing crucial elements of gear, because of undelivered special orders, even though the owner was on credit hold and couldn't get the goods delivered for 2-3 months. I'd recommend y'all don't order from Marmot if you expect things in a timely manner.


all you suckas that are in awe if grant, you want to pay him to wait for a production frame- or sweater- likely not clearing customs until he scrapes enough of your lucre togther, go right ahead.

Kris, I do tour in the winter up here. on a long haul trucker. or a trek 520.

oh, grant invented the long haul trucker. or was it the internet?

he's a sucessful pimp of overpriced production bikes with parveneu character and dubious pedigree.

made in taiwan (or China) Rivendell head badged "bermuda triangle" 700c touring bikes, available soon via QBP. Maybe grant will use Kenesis like all the rest of the bike companies out there, they make fine bikes.

I'd buy one.

i still suggest to the OP....NO, no production bike is worth money up front and a four month wait, even if it is painted with pixie dust by california leprechauns.

having been spurred on by picking up the summer 06 riv reader just yesterday, and reading his slam and self rightous defense of a frame a customer was unhappy with, berating the customer (anonymously) and their dust mites, hereby ends my rant for this round of riv threads.

I hear they're painted with pixie dust, thaz what makes them so special.