"Heresay" I say!! - - In all seriousnes, I bought my 2003 Litespeed Arenberg new and have put just a few miles shy of 1000 on it this year. I have had FEW problems, NONE frame or any structural related and find it to be the most responsive bike I have ever owned. I consider this purchase one of the best useage of $'s I have ever spent. Problems experienced were mostly in shifting adjustments done free by LBS. BTW- I agree with the frame material assesment. But must admit I have very limited experience with Carbon Frames.