I am not disagreeing with you i am just saying that for a brand new to brand new it isn't worth it but used yeah you can find some sweet used japanese steel ont he cheap I have friends that have family in tokyo so it isn't hard for me to source things according to a friend his uncle is a big fan of betting on keirin races and has seen alot of for sale flyers around at the track so there must be a way to ship em I just have to decide to do it