I finally found what it takes to make my PI Amfib lobsters warm enough to wear at 10F/-12C. Rather than my Outlast liner gloves I wore some gardening gloves made of knit supplex and having a long forearm coverage www.foxglovesgardengloves.com . These made a tremendous difference, making the PI's actually useful. I actually had to get off my bike to wait for the 7 turkeys to slowly cross the road this morning. Watching the moon rise through the woods this evening was spectacular. At first it looked like a bonfire on the horizon, then it seemed to leap upward to show the full orb.