Originally Posted by waterrockets

If you can feel it, then you're a lot more sensitive than me I know it's there, but I've never been able to feel, even on the same course, same day, same bike, same tires/pressure, and four vastly different wheelsets. I'm insensitive


I see our disconnect here. I'm not talking about lateral forces to the wheel, I'm talking about lateral forces to a spoke. You were saying that the spokes work like rods to move the rim around, but I'm saying that spokes are not stiff enough to move a rim around, they can only pull the rim around under tension -- off-radial tension.