Buzzman, I did not attempt to vilify anyone, certainly not Phil Liggett! I'm a big Phil Liggett fan!
While I could not remember the exact words, no one that heard the broadcast questioned whether the essence of what Liggett said was that cyclists should not normally ride on the road depicted when motor traffic is on it because it was too narrow.

On the other hand, the stated purpose of this thread is to vilify Forester. No one can or would deny that. I think it's safe to say that those participating would not call themselves fans of Forester. And their stated impressions of what Forester has said and written are often questioned.