You know, until I got to this thread I'd honestly never heard of this Forester person, and after reading his site, I'm a bit perplexed as to why he warrants any attention at all. He's full of himself, imperious even; I'm surprised he doesn't speak of himself in the third person. How anyone can even take him seriously at all is beyond me. (I won't address his writing style, which is so pompous it would be a parody if he didn't take himself and his subject so deadly seriously.) I can well imagine that people involved in local government listen politely to him while they secretly wish he'd simply go away. Me, I'm going to ride my bike, on regular streets, in bike lanes if they're there, and even on MUPs. It doesn't matter; the main goal should be that people accept bikes as a legitimate form of transport for adults. All the rest of this stuff is just arguments between bicylcists who need to, you know, get out of the house more.. (including me)