This brings up an interesting point. A year or so ago, "Machka" commented that there should be no need for lube on rides under 100 miles if a rider's shorts and saddle were set up properly. I think because she's woman, that might be easier goal for her to obtain than for a man. But, it's a good point, and I have strived towards that goal. As of this date, 60 miles is the most I can manage without "help," and as I stated earlier in the thread, I think that A & D ointment is the best for me...and I've tried everything mentioned here except for Assos cream, as it's too pricey even if it did work!