Originally Posted by cavernmech
Yeah...the old style plastic ones. I have had both generation's and the older style ones win hands down. I used to do skid competitions with the old style ones....I wouldn't trust the new style for that type of thing....actually after cranking the tension up to full on my ATAC XC's and coming unclipped the first time I tried to lock up I don't ride them on my fixies for street. The old ones lasted me 5+ years....my new ones have a crapload of play in the retention bars after 2 years. Same cleat.
I will go in with ya but only if I get the old ones.
hmmm... never tried the old ones, but I think they have 2 bearings as well instead of the bushing/bearing combo in the aluminum ones

Do they use the same cleats?
Anyhow... that makes 2 and if you're interested TJ let me know and I'll try and talk him down and make th pickup if he's game.