[QUOTE=cavernmech][QUOTE=I_bRAD]hmmm... never tried the old ones, but I think they have 2 bearings as well instead of the bushing/bearing combo in the aluminum ones

Do they use the same cleats?
yeah..they have a cartridge on the crank side and a needle at the outside. Wait....I mean they suck. Dont get those or you will regret it. Terrible pedals.
i've had a couple pairs in the past, i wouldn't call them terrible. come to think of it, i've had some cleat release issues, but at least the bearings aren't as bad as the crank brother's nonsense.