Originally Posted by charles vail

I wonder if a rider could actually tell if one frame was stiffer than another. If so, how much? Alot of this has to do with wheels, tire size, road surfaces, wheelbase, frame angles etc. but the differences are fairly slight on compairable bike designs. At the extreme ends of the spectrum, say a criterium bike and a touring bike, there is a noticable difference in ride quality. Its kind of odd how buycycling magazine doesn't even review all the bikes available for sale...just the bigger makers mostly. I find their biased reviews humorous. But hey, they are trying to sell advertising and keep the magazine profitable.