I weighed my panniers w/ a representative load this morning, 15.5# (incl the bags), so 52# of bike and stuff on it, ~160# of me. Hoping to get myself down to 150# (mostly so I will be under 160 w/ clothes and shoes), does not look like GVW <200# is happening.

I think I am after all in a similar ballpark w/ my 5 yr old, biomass:bikemass ratio-wise, 40# of kid to ~15# of bike. My chain stays better lubed though.

I'm going to go and reread that thread in the 'touring' folder about keeping touring kit <20#... (probably does not include 2# of apples I found in my panniers this am)