for matter of record? by your reasoning Cig is bragging about his Denali by listing the price paid.
personally, if i state what i paid for an item, it is to do only that.
no hidden motives.
I'll agree with you in this. But let's face the facts here when referring to "most" people. People tend to brag about how expensive their *things* are because in this day and age status is more important than function. And people who live for status can not fathon function on the cheap, they just can't accept that someone can spend way less than them on something identical and still be as happy, if not happier than they are.


by the same logic, airplanes are simple things. there is as much engineering in todays bicycles as there were in many of yesterdays airplanes... but this is a pointless avenue.
Todays airplanes are not that simple, and yesteryears are only simple compaired to todays standards... but this is getting off track here.
And I was referring to the frames, which when it comes to an all_steel_frame technology can only take you so far for the basic function of it. We are, after all, only talking about composite materials and the actual assembly of the frame... at least that is all I was talking about.

you spoke of how you knew better than to express dissent with another's opinion... Cig's opinion in this case.... and i was just clarifying that Cigs opinions are at times represented as unbiased fact.
but then how can i be confused when you were talking about him proving things with his opinions?
And you sir, make a very good point here.

I finally read the entire thread and now my eyes hurt. I *do* understand now why people are getting on Cig about his review, but it still seems like alot of people who have replied to this thread have only done so in order to quantify their own expensive tastes. Though others have legitimate issues with the review.
I think Cig got what he paid for, from his first few posts he said he wanted to pick up a bike on the cheap to see if they really were as bad as people say, and it looks like he got a good one. Then everyone and their mother had to chime in, including me.