Originally Posted by pj7
Wasn't it bicycle builders from ohio who designed the first function plane?
it's funny how my comments on metal qualities have morphed into engineering or aircraft.

Yes, it was made of paper, flew about a block, then crashed. That's why engineers have been designing aircraft ever since.
Put it this way, the difference between a road bike designed by a designer such as sasha white over at vanilla and one designed by a team of engineers over at Trek is maybe 1-2%, if that.
The difference between a plane designed by say the guys over at skytek and one designed by lockheed martin is maybe an order of magnitude if not more. And hell even the skytek works better than the wright brothers' plane.
BTW: don't you two have anything better to do than argue online at 2am sunday morning? I'm giving my girlfriend a hitler-like moustache with electrical tape since she passed out on the couch again.