Well one baseline would be the old baldy hillclimb timetrial.. It starts on the Upland side at the top of Euclid ave.. Once you get to the top of Euclid ave at 24th street, you will see a fire station. This is where the TT use to start, the left side of the fire station.. It would finish at the parking lot for the ski lifts.. Total mileage 12.6 miles.. 1.5 hours is a respectable time. Only 2 people ever broke 1 hour..