Originally Posted by William Karsten

I've got phils on my nice bike, on my daily bike I have a Miche and a Surly. The surly is tough, but nothing tremendous. The Phil's look nice and roll decently. Honestly though, the Miche hub rolls smoother, better and cost 1/2 the price of the Phil. I don't know about a rear miche, but for dollar and cents, Miche is a better deal. This is side by side equal use comparison. Even funnier, the Miche is on a 36 spoke wheel, the Phil is a 32 hole, and the Miche still rolls better.

Phils: nice, but, really, not worth the $$$.

I'm sure that violates everyone's sense of what's right and decent in the world, but it's an honest opinion.