Originally Posted by velocipedio

i should have said "if you are a recreational rider." ...
most recreational weight-weenies have to understand that, when you're talking about bike weight, you're talking about the combined weight of rider, clothing, bike and hardware. a full-dressed rider wighing 190 lbs in his kit, shoes and helmet riding a 16 lb bike, only has a 1.5% weight advantage over the same rider on a 19 lb bike.