One more thought on this. I have owned 4 other cross bikes before, a Gunnar, Proprad and a Ridley crossbow, Kona Jake. By far the the Vin Dessel is the best all around riding one that I have had for the road and light trails. the carbon makes a difference on the overall ride. Going downhill I never feel out of controll at 30 MPH. In many respects I feel as though I am on a good road bike. I cannot say that for the other. That being said, I'll see how I feel about that when I trying to jump a barrier next year on the the cross track.
For the record I do like Salsa's, I just ordered a 29er for my spring and summer ride.......go figure.
Last edited by nowheels; 03-23-07 at 07:29 PM.